Posted on 11/21/2009 7:26:17 PM PST by jveritas
Today healthcare vote in the Senate was so badly represented by many on our side and of course by the media and was blown way out of proportion. In reality it is a meaningless vote. The vote today was only to start the debate and it is absolutely does not guarantee at all that the current bill in the Senate with it current version of public option aka socialized medicine is going to pass. In fact as it stands now this current bill is assured to be defeated because the socialists are not going to get 60 votes for cloture to end the debate and hence they cannot move the bill for a final vote. In other words the bill in its current form is dead.
Senator Lieberman has said so many times, very clearly, and very adamantly that he is going to filibuster an end for the debate as long as it has any form of public option and he also said many times that he was going to vote to allow the start of the debate as he did today. That is why Senator Lieberman has been for weeks the most hated person among the left wing lunatics. Many people misunderstood and misinterpreted what he has been saying and thought that Lieberman did not follow through on what he said he was going to do.
Senator Olympia Snowe has said that she is going to filibuster an end to the debate on this current healthcare bill if it contains the current form of public option. She wants a trigger public option which in practical political terms a meaningless thing that will never be triggered. In fact today she even voted against the start of the debate.
Now some will say that if the socialists do not get 60 votes to end the debate and move the bill for a final vote then they are going to use reconciliation or the so called “nuclear option”. This is very unlikely because for the use of reconciliation the bill has to go back to the budget committee or finance committee where it is going to be watered down significantly and just includes the insignificant trigger public option or a trigger co-op. Even very left wing Senators like Tom Harkin said that reconciliation will be a very bad thing to do.
What is the most likely scenario?
Most probably they are going to be able to pass a healthcare bill that contains a trigger public option or a trigger co-op which in all practical form is a meaningless gesture because it is not going to be triggered at all in the future. This is the bill that will go to Obama to sign it into law, the democrat politicians and their media will celebrate but their left wing lunatic base will go insane in a way that will shock many. The left wing lunatic base wants a strong public option (aka socialized medicine) as a minimum and is very much against a trigger public option or a trigger co-op because they know very well that the trigger means absolutely nothing and when this happens the left wing lunatic base is going to explode in total anger against the democrat party.
The Dems will push something through. They have to in order to appease their far-left base.
Hang on. I was under the impression that this WAS the 60 member vote. That from here on out, they need 51 votes. Are you saying there’s still one more 60 head vote....where Libermann could come through? Really?
I hope you’re right. Otherwise, I only see three more or less equally likely possibilities: this horror passes and the country goes bankrupt, this horror passes and the country falls into civil war, or this horror fails when the House and Senate cannot agree. I’m surprised by how little the first two options bother me.
Hope you are right.
tru dat. No panic yet.
They need 60 votes to end the debate before the 51 vote deal.
Seldom dose a bill that makes it out of committee ever fail. Yes, panic is in order.
You are pinning all your hope on a Liberal Democrat. I think they will Weasel and squirm their way in to some kind of unholy disgusting deal no matter what. Polecats and Varments never change.
THANK YOU for your post!!!
Reid has said he is not going to do reconciliation (51 vote tactic). Of course, we know he is a RAT so can go back on his word in an instant.
Today's vote was a vote to bring the bill forward for debate. We have yet to go thru the debate process and the REAL vote to pass the legislation. The real vote is where Lieberman could come thru and stop this thing.
It’s a done deal , despite all the phony drama .
This bill with it current public option does not have 60 vote for cloture to end the debate and move it for a final vote. That is a certainty.
To parody that line from Gone with the Wind: “It’s panic time when I SAYS it’s panic time. Panic time!”
What’s to stop them from buying every needed vote? They’ve all got their price. $300 million, $500 million? Whatever, it’s only taxpayer money.
They are going to push the health care nationalization through by hook and crook because they want control. It is time that the posters at the tea parties read, RESIGN NOW!
Many bills have been killed even when they are of committee. I do not know where you are getting your data.
Many bills have been killed even when they are of committee. I do not know where you are getting your data.
Thanks for the thoughtful post.
Any Dem Senators in VA up for election in 2010?
I wonder if Lou Dobbs can run and win in NJ?
Will Rudy get off the fence against Gillibrand or better George Pataki?
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