[JoSixChip]

"That’s not how it works. They need 60 votes for cloture—i.e., to stop debating. The so-called nuclear option refers to reconciliation which needs only 51 votes. But that’s not going to happen. Nobody on the left wants it—it would wreck the package. They want the structure intact even more than they want the public option."

Excuse me! they said it would never get this far. BUT IT DID!!!

[praepos]

Who said it would never get this far? It was never a question of whether it would be debated. Senators Kyl and DeMint claim voting for procedural clotures assures passage of most bills—which is true but beside the point. This is not like most other bills. This is revolutionary—and huge—and it’s opposed by much of the country. No way some moderates won’t oppose this. But they need to give it a hearing first—to show solidarity with their leader.

Check the intrade percentage. Only 3.9% believe it’ll pass. That’s ridiculously low.