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Tough Lessons For Obama On Mid-East Peace
BBC News ^ | November 21st, 2009

Posted on 11/21/2009 9:23:48 AM PST by Steelfish

Tough Lessons For Obama On Mid-East Peace

The BBC's Middle East editor Jeremy Bowen considers how the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians has taught US President Barack Obama hard and humiliating lessons.

Nearly 500,000 Jewish people live in settlements built on occupied territory. The land between the river Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea has great sunsets. One the other day turned the sky from deep blue to pink, then angry orange, and flaming red. The fading light glowed on the roofs of the expanding and illegal Jewish settlements that run, like little fortresses, along the mountain spine of the West Bank.

This is also a tremendous place to see a false dawn. The finest was the first, the Israeli-Palestinian handshake on the White House lawn in 1993. President Clinton, beaming, stood between Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres, old enemies, now officially partners for peace. That was the saddest too, because it might have worked. Two years later, Mr Rabin was assassinated by a Jewish extremist.

Negotiating peace in the region has eluded other US presidents Another false dawn was a trip by Bill Clinton to Gaza in 1998. Yes, an American president in Gaza. It is not conceivable these days. I mention this almost forgotten visit because, as another famous American once said about baseball, it is deja vu all over again. Benjamin Netanyahu was prime minister of Israel in 1998, and he is again now. Hillary Clinton was on the trip, as the president's wife, and now she is US Secretary of State. Mr Netanyahu used to drive her husband mad.

After he had lectured the president about the Middle East, Mr Clinton famously asked his aides: "Who the (bleep) does he think he is? Who's the (bleeping) superpower here?" Only he did not say bleep.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bbc; israel; jeremybowen; obamao

1 posted on 11/21/2009 9:23:50 AM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

If the reflexively anti-Israel (and anti-semitic) BBC is saying this, things are REALLY bad in Obama-land.


2 posted on 11/21/2009 9:34:10 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

The article says it’s all Israel’s fault, of course. Perhaps we, the “bleeping superpower,” according to Clintoon, should just let Israel work out its peace with the terrorist Hamas-Palistinians as it sees fit.


3 posted on 11/21/2009 9:38:52 AM PST by hsalaw
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To: Steelfish

There is no lesson to be learned with batboy. He is his own one trick pony.


4 posted on 11/21/2009 9:42:33 AM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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To: hsalaw
No, I really think the article is criticizing Obama fairly heavily, for the BBC.

The blaming Israel is secondary -- that's just what the BBC does. Anti-semitism runs very deep in England, it's nothing personal against the Jews or the Israelis, it's just the English xenophobia that's basic to their personality. The old-line English don't really even like Americans (just read some Dorothy Sayers some time for some breathtaking remarks about Americans that she no doubt didn't even realize she was making. She also takes shots at Jewish passersby. And she was a very nice, very religiously conservative lady, it was just part of the air she grew up breathing.)

5 posted on 11/21/2009 11:52:50 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
The moron who wrote it referred to "occupied territories" -- Yo! End the English occuption of Britain!
Another false dawn was a trip by Bill Clinton to Gaza in 1998. Yes, an American president in Gaza. It is not conceivable these days. I mention this almost forgotten visit because, as another famous American once said about baseball, it is deja vu all over again. Benjamin Netanyahu was prime minister of Israel in 1998, and he is again now. Hillary Clinton was on the trip, as the president's wife, and now she is US Secretary of State. Mr Netanyahu used to drive her husband mad. After he had lectured the president about the Middle East, Mr Clinton famously asked his aides: "Who the (bleep) does he think he is? Who's the (bleeping) superpower here?" Only he did not say bleep.

6 posted on 11/21/2009 12:13:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Interesting you mention Dorothy Sayers. I'm presently re-reading her entire Lord Peter Wimsey series, primarily for the pleasure of reading beautifully written English. (Although Five Red Herrings nearly defeated me. Again.) And you're right: her minor characters are anti-semitic, anti-American, anti-feminist, and refer to persons of color (any color) with a word we no longer use.

And, even more interesting, her primary character and hero, Wimsey, is none of those things. He likes feminist women (viz. the long-pursued Harriet Vane), he has friends in all classes (his best friend and eventual brother-in-law is a middle class policeman), and does not (at least to my recollection) make racial, sexual or religious slurs although, as you note, many of the minor characters do.

A case in point is the fact that one of Wimsey's best friends, Freddie Arbuthnot, married Rachael, the daughter of a prominent Jew who was the victim in the first novel, Whose Body? and whose family was treated well in the novel. Ms. Sayers' anti-semitism didn't prevent her from seeing Jews as interesting and appealing characters, nor, perhaps, from having her hero be much more egalitarian in outlook than she was herself.

7 posted on 11/21/2009 12:20:02 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: hsalaw
Very true. Englishmen who properly treat all individuals as individuals rise above the national xenophobia.

But it's there. It's harmless in the main, because most Englishmen are really decent people who like to "give a chap an even chance". And they love an underdog.

And I have no objection to stereotypes so long as it's just a rule of thumb for which exceptions are generously made (I mean, we all know those Americans Abroad, and cringe, at least I do). After all, my take on the English xenophobia is a stereotype!

Miss Sayers was an equal opportunity basher -- she often teed off on the working class Englishman who tried to "rise above his station" -- I'm thinking of the advertising types in Murder Must Advertise and the pitiful architect who owned the bathtub in Whose Body?.

8 posted on 11/21/2009 12:24:36 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: hsalaw
My favorite is still The Nine Tailors. It's enough to make you go out and sign up with the nearest tower captain.
9 posted on 11/21/2009 12:29:01 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
The Nine Tailors is one of my favorites, too. I haven't gotten to it yet in my re-read, but I recall the part where one brother offers to confess because his brother, whom he suspects of being the murderer, has a wife and family. Both brothers end up staring, baffled, at each other, realizing each wrongly suspected the other of murder. Both uplifting and chilling - the sign of a great writer.
10 posted on 11/21/2009 12:37:08 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: Steelfish
As Barry Rubin has noted, the reverse is the truth of the picture painted by al-Beeb's correspondent. Its not Israel that is standing in the way of negotiations; its Palestinian rejectionism and refusal to negotiate with Israel. No amount of unilateral Israeli concessions has or will produce peace. Even Israel's agreement to a partial settlement freeze has not moderated the Palestinians. The truth is only Israel wants to sit down and talk with the other side. All of the above facts of course are omitted by al-Beeb because it doesn't fit with the "Blame Israel for all the problems in the Middle East" theory. Media fantasizing and Middle East reality like in the al-Beeb piece, are worlds apart.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

11 posted on 11/21/2009 1:07:59 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SunkenCiv
What's left out of that story is that it was none other than Netanyahu who at the time withdrew Israeli troops from two-thirds of Hebron and agreed to cede to the Palestinians 40% of Judea and Samaria at Wye. Netanyahu has never been the right-wing hawk his media foes accuse him of being. They could have highlighted those facts but they too were omitted to make Israel's Prime Minister look like a villain. The first casualty of the lie is always the truth.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

12 posted on 11/21/2009 1:13:42 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

That also goes for some of his diehard supporters. :’)


13 posted on 11/21/2009 2:21:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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14 posted on 11/22/2009 5:42:38 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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