ClimateGate - Climate center's server hacked revealing documents and emails

I work with scientists and engineers every day. Have my own Physics degree, too. I don’t see anything from a science impact in climate change that makes sense with the exception of solar related warming.

That being said - it would not suprise me to find they have no intent to deceive. Many of the science/engineering types become fixated on particular things. I see all the time where an engineer will argue and argue a point that is clearly wrong. They are so focused on these items that they get tunnel vision and literally cannot perceive the error.

Because it is such a strong response, I think it may actually be instinctual to prevent damage to the ego.

And I’m big enough to admit that I do it a lot of times as well. Usually someone finally pops me upside the head and I go “ah sh*t; where did that come from” or “geez, how did I miss that”.

I think a lot of these people really do believe what they are saying. However, I also believe that there are a lot of people that are just using it to pursue thier own agenda - whether for grants, power, fame, etc.

I wonder if the AP will let just one of its 11 Palin opposition researchers break away to investigate this story.

NOT!

Based on the number of threads on FR pertaining to this subject, its dominance on solarcycle24.com and other blogs, I don't think this is going to be wished away by the Gore loving media.

Lot's of new info coming out every hour by folks who are gleaning it for indications of both scientific and monetary fraud. This is hugh and series!

I wonder if the AP will let just one of its 11 Palin opposition researchers break away to investigate this story.

NOT!

Based on the number of threads on FR pertaining to this subject, its dominance on solarcycle24.com and other blogs, I don't think this is going to be wished away by the Gore loving media.

Lot's of new info coming out every hour by folks who are gleaning it for indications of both scientific and monetary fraud. This is hugh and series!

Thanx !

Beam me to Planet Gore !

Thursday, November 19, 2009

The Blue-Dress Moment May Have Arrived [Chris Horner]

I am not able to fully digest this at present, catching up with the boys from days away and then up at O-Dark-Thirty for a flight to California for a talk, but check out what Anthony Watts among others have posted.

Now, none of us can attest to the validity of what has been posted on a Russian server (nor can we even be sure of how it was obtained, though it purports to be non-classified data held by a purely public agency subject to freedom of information/transparency laws). But I'm told it's almost 61 megabytes of files, and after a few days of scrutiny appears (to the kind of people who would know) to be legitimate. And very revealing, both the data and what are represented to be comments and admissions by leading lights on Team Alarmist.

If legit, this apparently devastating series of revelations will be very hard for the media to ignore. I didn't say impossible — they're fully vested partners in the global warming industry, because catastrophism sells. But so does scandal, and this appears to be the makings of a very big one. Imagine this sort of news coming in the field of AIDS research. Then reflect that the taxpayer spends more on climate-related research than on the entire suite of AIDS programs, far beyond drug research.

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That's just selection out of the mass. There are tens of thousands of emails, the top 10 are going to sound that way if any ever do.

It is damning enough, and pretty obvious. The amount of bias exercised by supposed "peers" in research is an open secret among scientists. Usually the bias is directed at pure self promotion - if he cites me, I approve, else I disapprove - that sort of thing. Here the interest is much more ideological and they think of themselves as fighting righteously against political enemies in the name of science. But in fact they are suppressing anything that hurts their arguments, in Orwellian fashion, instead of just trusting their arguments and airing every point of view.

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