Fort Hood Killer Reportedly Chose "Cop Killer" Handgun (More Brady baloney)

Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence ^ | Nov 6, 2009 | NA

[neverdem]

Four and a half years ago, three police organizations in the United States issued advisories to warn officers that a new handgun introduced into the U.S. market by a Belgium manufacturer of military firearms represented a unique threat to the safety of police officers. 

It was a handgun that was designed to fire bullets through body armor.  A U.S. Senator and a U.S. Congressman urged a legal ban on civilian possession of the firearm, which began being referred to as the "cop killer gun."  The gun, manufactured by FN Herstal of Belgium, is lightweight and easily concealable, and was designed as a military sidearm to complement military rifles made by the same company.  One law enforcement expert referred to the Five-Seven as "an assault rifle that fits in your pocket." 

While no police officer has reportedly been killed by a suspect armed with a Five-Seven, it may now have taken the lives of U.S. soldiers. Today, several news sources are reporting that it was the Five-Seven that Nidal M. Hasan used in his shooting attack at Fort Hood in Texas Thursday 

In January 2005, the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP), International Brotherhood of Police Officers (IBPO) and the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives (NOBLE), released their alert to the police community at a press conference, joined by U.S. Senator Charles Schumer and Congressman Elliott Engel of New York. 

When first launched for civilian sales, company officials wrote on the company website that “enemy personnel, even wearing body armor can be effectively engaged up to 200 meters. Kevlar® helmets and vests as well as the CRISAT protection will be penetrated.” That language has since been removed by FN Herstal.

In early 2005, Brady Campaign staff purchased the weapon at a Virginia gun dealer and test-fired it.  The bullets successfully penetrated a police Kevlar vest.

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[neverdem]

The original source:

The Folly of Unilateral Disarmament

Even less relevant is the allegation that Hasan used illegal armor-piercing ammunition. The Brady Campaign bizarrely chose to highlight that claim even though there was no indication that any of Hasan’s victims were wearing bullet-proof vests, let alone that his bullets penetrated them. Perhaps the group hoped that such puzzling illogic would distract people from the plain fact that having a gun is better than not having one when you are confronted by a homicidal maniac.

The thread:

The Folly of Unilateral Disarmament

[marron]

Hasan was an army officer on an army base. Getting his hands on a weapon was not a problem.

[mnehring]

A handgun isn't a 'cop killer', that term is reserved for a specific type of round that is made to penetrate some body armor. The handgun was the same size that could use one of these rounds, however, all reports I've seen have said it wasn't clear this type of round was used. The media is making the assumption that because this handgun could have used a 'cop killer' round, it must have... very poor reporting.

[Puppage]

Fort Hood Killer Reportedly Chose "Cop Killer" Handgun

If they really wanted to scare people, shouldn't they have called it a Minority Baby Killer Gun?

[ozzymandus]

Brady bunch blames gun for terrorist murders. Forgetting to mention that the armor piercing (cop killer) ammo is not available to the public. These scumbags exploiting the Islamic terrorist murders of American soldiers makes me sick. I want to see the Brady Bunch blame the murderer for a change.

[OldDeckHand]

"Hasan was an army officer on an army base. Getting his hands on a weapon was not a problem."

That's not entirely accurate, at all. He had no more access to a weapon, than a civilian school teacher working on the base. I think civilians believe that Army & Marine Corps bases are places where weapons are just laying about. They aren't. Weapons are highly secured, at all times. If you don't have a reason to remove your weapon from the armory, you're not going to be removing a weapon from the armory.

And, there's more than a probable chance that Hasan wasn't even assigned a sidearm, unlike all other line or infantry officers that are assigned a personal sidearm. It's probably for these reasons that Hasan used his personally acquired and owned weapons.

[Disambiguator]

which began being referred to as the "cop killer gun."

They fail to mention that they were probably the ones who began referring to anything as "cop killer."

[equalitybeforethelaw]

If you want to kill a cop, buy a .45. If you want to wound him, buy a 5x7FN. Shoosh - these people are crazy - also, have you ever seen them upset when a cop actually gets killed? No, they’re too busy hanging out with their ivy league terrorist Bill Ayers.

[I see my hands]

See it here.

[Brad’s Gramma]

She really IS a stupid old hag isn’t she ...

[Paine in the Neck]

They fail to mention that they were probably the ones who began referring to anything as "cop killer."

You beat me to the point. This is precisely the case.

[Lion Den Dan]

The 5.7 does not seem to be much of any kind of killer. The killed to wounded ration is, thank God, very low.

[MBB1984]

We should ban planes first, though, since they killed 3,000 on 9/11.

[Lion Den Dan]

The 5.7 FN is not much of a killer. The dead to wounded ratio is, thank God, very low.

[justapicker]

“the plain fact that having a gun is better than not having one when you are confronted by a homicidal maniac.”

Bingo!

It was an UNARMED SITTING DUCK killer gun.

The presence of this traitor as a Major on a U.S. Army post was made possible by the malaise of prolitical correctness all the way up the chain of command.

[BorisTheBulletDodger]

Thank GOD he used the glorified .22 Mag "cop killer" and not something with a bit more oomph to it like a .40 or .45

The 5.7mm he used is known for making very small wound channels, often over penetrating the intended targets.


5.7x28mm is fourth from the left, 45acp is on far right.

The death toll that day would have been much greater had he used a .45acp hollow points which cause much more catastrophic tissue damage since all of the energy from the round is spent inside the target. It is the difference between using a 40 grain ice pick and a 210 grain sledge hammer.

[Tenacious 1]

Great story! (Sarcasm)

For those of us who know a thing about guns, what was the caliber? I didn’t know they made handguns that would fire rifle calibers.

The penetration for handguns is in the ammo not the machine itself.

[Virginia Ridgerunner]

Of course the Rat angle is all screwed up...the real story here is that none of the soldiers in the vicinity were armed because of Clinton-era rules at Fort Hood banning the carrying of sidearms on base.

Once the Islamist nutjob shouted "Allahu Akbar!" and opened fire, they did not have anything on hand to shoot back with. Instead, it took a cop civilian cops, who arrived THREE minutes after the killing started, to take the perp down. And this on a major military base!

THAT's the REAL story here...

[Sender]

Let's just ban every possible gun that could conceivably kill someone.
Only the safe guns, the ones that cannot kill, would remain.

[ltc8k6]

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearmstech/fabriquen.htm

batfe doesn’t seem too worried about the FiveSeven or it’s ammo.