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To: Frantzie

Sorry, he’s right.

Out of the FiveSeveN, the 5.7x28 is only moving at 1650 fps and has only 242 ft-lbs of energy.

The AR-15 firing the ‘weak’ 5.56x45 rifle cartridge makes 3200 fps and develops 1200ft-lbs of energy.

The heavier M1 or FAL firing the .308 Winchester or 7.62 NATO cranks out 2754 ft/sec. The reason that round is sometimes known as “the meat axe” becomes clear when you discover that it has **2422** ft-lbs of energy.

In fact, the 5.7mm isn’t that far off from 9mm velocities. The 9mm 115gr pistol bullet travels at 1300fps and has 420 ft-lbs of energy.

Sorry, you’re wrong. It’s just not that good a round.


33 posted on 11/06/2009 10:38:38 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
You are right. The 5.7 is not an effective round unless you are going after people wearing body armor and you have access to the armor piercing ammo. No indication that the shooter had that ammo. If he did, somebody else is going to jail.
49 posted on 11/06/2009 11:12:36 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Spktyr

Small, fast cartridges like these 5.7 MMJs (necked down .30 carbine) are not really new; handloaders have been enjoying them since the 50's. The little 40 grain bullets have limited penetration, but explosive expansion characteristics at moderate range. This is the first instance I've heard of the FN round used in a crime.

50 posted on 11/06/2009 11:15:08 PM PST by Seven plus One
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To: Spktyr
Sorry, you’re wrong. It’s just not that good a round.

The empirical evidence at Ft Hood would belie that assumption.

111 posted on 11/07/2009 11:31:07 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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