Posted on 11/03/2009 7:54:13 PM PST by SeekAndFind
SARANC LAKE, N.Y. – The mood is getting darker at NY-23 Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman’s election party. Results from Jefferson County–Republican territory that John McCain carried–show Owens in the lead. And the Syracuse suburbs–Madison, Oswego, and Oneida County–are not showing the blowouts that early polling suggested. The first results from Oswego show Hoffman at 2800, Owens at 2000, and Scozzafava at 324. The final Siena poll had Hoffman leading Democrat Bill Owens by a margin of 51 percent to 28 percent in this region.
I asked Hoffman’s spokesman Rob Ryan for a reaction, and he suggested that it was hard to know the trends without knowing which wards the votes were coming from. That’s true, but it’s significantly less optimism than Ryan was projecting earlier tonight.
This will be a big setback for Palin, no matter how you look at it..but I still think Hoffman can pull it out. I also think that the Republicans are pissed that the National Party came in and meddled so much..maybe some stayed home? I don’t know. Maybe they just didn’t like Hoffman. Interesting.
It's too important to let Dede and the party leaders get off scot free. Time to send that memo to NYGOP.
This is a special election caused by 0bama poaching the Republican Congressman to become Sec. of the Army. There was no primary. There were eleven county chairs who had weighted votes. Three heavily weighted votes “nominated” Scozzafava. There were eight other contenders, including Hoffman, all of whom would also have been given the Conservative party endorsement. The Conservative Party refused in advance to endorse Dede.
I guess the wrath should go to the heavyweight three. Once Dede’s name was put up, the pubs went on automatic pilot and tried to get the “R” elected. Party rules require support of the GOP nominee. If Hoffman loses, we get a redo in 2010, but it will be harder to dislodge an incumbent rat.
Cheers for Sarah’s role, and boos for Newt’s.
If Hoffman can not pull it out in spite of Sarah’s ringing endorsement of him, I am afraid her star power takes a serious blow.
Oh, OK. Sorry. I’m unaware of any conservatives RNC has supported recently but that of course does not mean there are none.
RNC did spend lots on ads against him, though, please inform me if I’m incorrect.
He’s running on the Conservative Party ticket. Even coming close shows her star power.
“This will be a big setback for Palin, no matter how you look at it..”
Why?
A RINO was baggged and tagged.
And then a unknown 3rd party candidate was propelled forward to come within a very few points of winning.
That could be easily spun as a big show of her influence.
Yes, Hoffman has the charisma of a backyard toad. Even Sarah could not make people like him.
Yes, instead of spending all this money on Dede scuzzy they could have been spending that money on the CA race....these national repubs are idiots....
I was really pulling for Hoffman, but I have to say he is not meant for TV. I’m sure he came across better in person.
As an afterthought, I guess their rules mean they’d let the seat go to a liberal rather than try to get someone more aligned to their philosophy in the seat and keep it away from Democrats?
Palin’s “star power” is limited to the conservative base. Outside of that, she is a news item but not respected or taken seriously as a presidential candidate. I’m sorry but it’s true. She is polarizing. I agree with her on almost all issues and think she has been treated poorly, but the reality is she can’t (at this point) win nationally, nor does throwing her name behind someone bring instant victory.
Based on that link, my projection is that Hoffman loses by about 4,800 votes. That’s based on an assumption that the precincts in each county that have not yet reported follow the same voting pattern as the already-reporting precincts in that same county; that assumption may of course be flawed.
Take it for what it’s worth, which may not be much.
Exactly, why can’t people here understand the state party selected her and the national GOP is stuck going along as long as she is in the race.
Sarah’s endorsement basically started the race for Hoffman. He raised a ton of money and started the national push within the 24 hours after she jumped in. The result within days was Dede pulling out. It helps in the conservative movement as she is a force. She still has to earn her own position as a national candidate if she chooses to run in the future.
I beg to differ. Sarah was the first prominent politician to endorse him. Hoffman is a staunch conservative. If Hoffman loses, both Sarah and extreme conservatives take a left hook on the jaw. You just can’t sugar coat it. Losing in a district which for decades was GOP, then extreme conservatives are severly diminished.
What about Sarah Palin is extreme? What position?
The RNC is made up of the State Chair and National Committeeman/woman from each state and then a few more but not a lot of others. The rules are made at the National Convention and updated at the quarterly meetings if necessary.
It has been a standing tradition for as long as I can remember that money to the GOP can only be used for GOP candidates. IMHO the RNC and NRCC should NOT have poured that much money into a special election but saved the money to take that seat in 2010. This CD went to Obama and I thought it was throwing money away.
Another problem was Hoffman endorsing her for two days. RNC and NRCC did not know how she got the nomination until last week when it came out that one of the County Chairs had voted for her when her County said to vote for someone conservative. The fault lies in the State of NY.
And I’ll raise you 200 Acorns.
Given the high profile Conservatives involved..could be that was where a good deal of help went.
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