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1 posted on 11/03/2009 4:19:19 PM PST by presidio9
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The Kilimanjaro story is is eblatantly dishonest
30 posted on 11/03/2009 4:29:09 PM PST by sourcery (RINOs are Whigs with no hair...)
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Kaiser Wilhelm put that ice up there as a prank when he gave it to Queen Victoria for her birthday.
She said “We are not amused by that little willie”


34 posted on 11/03/2009 4:35:39 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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It's that African snow cone thief again,he and algorrrr are stealing the snow.
35 posted on 11/03/2009 4:36:45 PM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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FLASH~!
Some of the missing snow has been found in my yard.


36 posted on 11/03/2009 4:37:04 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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Yes but ice is growing in other parts of the world.


37 posted on 11/03/2009 4:37:10 PM PST by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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Damn. First the Sahara loses all its water now Killamanjaro loses its snow.

Some things never change.


39 posted on 11/03/2009 4:37:32 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Keep your dog. Get rid of a Liberal.)
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Railla Odinga’s fault.


40 posted on 11/03/2009 4:38:32 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Snow cap disappearing from Mount Kilimanjaro

And this hurts...what? Tell me again, please.

41 posted on 11/03/2009 4:38:35 PM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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I've lent out my copy of Meltdown by Patrick Michaels so I can't verify that book as the source of most of the following explanation for the disappearing snows of Kilimanjaro, which, of course is not due to anthropogenic global warming.

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !


While currently some glaciers are retreating there are others which are thickening. That is historically consistent ... good grief, the earth has seen Ice Ages retreat long before there were SUVs.

Consider the research of Ohio State University glaciologist Lonnie Thompson ... he who predicted in a 10/02 paper in Science an end to Kilimanjaro's glaciers by 2020, more or less, according to current trends. I remember when ABC news picked this up.

Well. much of modern environmental journalism displays a pervasive lack of critical insight toward environmental scares and the scientific papers on which they are supposedly based. An inspection of Thompson's own data, also published in i Science, shows that Kilimanjaro's glaciers would be dying even if i Homo sapiens ancestors were still the dominant hominid in the Rift Valley, a few hundred miles to the West. That is to say, humans are not to blame for the glacial recession.

Thonpson cited five surveys of Kilimanjaro from 1912, 1953, 1976, 1989, and 2000, as per your graphic.

From 1912 to 1953, global temperatures rose (as measured controversially by surface thermometers) 0.4° C (0.74° F). This rise occurred before most of the industrial emissions of so-called "greenhouse gases" , mainly CO2 and CH4. As a result. most scientists think the warming of the 20th century had mainly to do with changes in Mr. Sun. In fact, slight changes in solar output have modulated the earth's surface temperature plus or minus about 1.0° C (1.8° F) over millennia.

Kilimanjaro's glaciers lost 45% of their areal extent during that era of solar warming. If the glaciers had continued to decline at the pace established in that period, they would already be gone by now, pfffft, even with no additional warming from the emissions of greenhouse gases.

But the glaciers are still here. From 1953 through 1976, another 21 percent of the original area was uncovered. This occurred during a period of global cooling of 0.07° C (0.13° F). OSU's press office could logically have written the following hype in 1976: "Kilimanjaro's glaciers will completely disappear by 2015 if this cooling trend continues".

It is patently obvious that global temperatures and their behavior of Kilimanjaro's glaciers are pretty independent, at least on the time scale of decades. Local climate, however, is apparently critical. A glacier cares what happens from its head to its toe, not elsewhere.

The local climate record around Kilimanjaro is confusing. There is very little cohesion between nearby thermometers which argues more that the data are bad than it does for any local cooling or warming. Poor (unsubsidized by Kyoto) countries have little income to spend on a quality climate-monitoring network.

Since, 1976, another 12% of the original mass has disappeared - and despite all the hoopla, a loss of 12% represents the slowest decline since 1912. Although the local temperature measurements are clearly questionable, more recent decades' measurements area as close to perfect as possible. In 1979 satellite monitoring began. All scientists - even the most ardent Anthropogenic Global Warming ™ apocalyptics - acknowledge that the satellite is excellent at measuring temperatures at the altitude of Kilimanjaro's glaciers - about 19,000 feet. In fact, it may measure temperatures at that altitude better than it does at sea level.

Around Kilimanjaro, satellite data shows a cooling of 0.22°C (0.40°F) since 1979, which is the same as the global warming rate between 1912 and 1953 (0.09°C or 0.17°F per decade). Still, Kilimanjaro's glaciers continue to shrink.

In his Science article, Thompson noted that the period from 4,000 to 11,000 years ago was warmer in Africa than it is today, and yet Kilimanjaro was much more glaciated because it was also wetter than it is today. Some estimates place today's precipitation at only 50% of what it was during the warmer period. Obviously, precipitation, not Anthropogenic Global Warming ™ temperature, is the key to the glaciation of Kilimanjaro.

Did people make it stop snowing? Precipitation in East Africa is highly correlated with El Niño activity in the tropical Pacific ocean. During the last big one, 1997-8, how many news stories promulgated the notion that El Niños are becoming more frequent because of AGW?

So someone could argue that humans cause global warming, global warming causes more El Niños, more El Niños affect precipitation, and therefore humans are causing the glaciers to recede. But, if people are causing more El Niños, then in fact it should be snowing more and more on Kilimanjaro - more than it did back in the day when it was even warmer, thousands of years ago.

45 posted on 11/03/2009 4:40:59 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Limit all U.S. politicians to two terms: One in office and one in prison! to s)
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Good, they can use the water.


47 posted on 11/03/2009 4:45:05 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
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The African mountain's white peak... is rapidly melting

Environmental justice: Whitey shouldn't be on top.

49 posted on 11/03/2009 4:45:43 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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It’s summertime there. The ice will come back in the winter.


50 posted on 11/03/2009 4:46:14 PM PST by meadsjn
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Snow isn’t allowed on the equator !


51 posted on 11/03/2009 4:46:34 PM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies om Planet' and " Battle of the Worlds " on Blu-ray ?)
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The man watched the birds break through the trees through the green jungle light that poured into his eyes like light pouring into his eyes that was green and thought about Cuba in the 30s and how Fitzgerald had told him he could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch, which was hard, and he looked higher, beyond the mean two-hearted river where men lived without women and a bucket of trout cost a buck if you paid for it in buffalo nickels pulled from a drawstring pouch and his eye moved higher, to the snow on Kilimanjaro that was no longer there and he saw the snow was not there anymore, or the leopard bones, and he spilled his drink on his shirt, weeping. Then he stopped looking at the wall paper and got up off the floor. SOON TO BE A MAJOR MOTIONLESS PICTURE!
53 posted on 11/03/2009 4:48:54 PM PST by Jagman
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I think there's a logical explanation for this.
54 posted on 11/03/2009 4:51:49 PM PST by winddream
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easy come easy go


60 posted on 11/03/2009 5:14:01 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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South of the Equator? Spring? Hello?


62 posted on 11/03/2009 5:46:04 PM PST by redhead (They are running SCARED, folks! :o) Check out the Halfbaked Sourdough at mukluk.wordpress.com)
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