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Russia hopes nuclear ship will fly humans to Mars
Forbes ^ | Oct 29 08:01 AM US/Eastern | VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV

Posted on 10/29/2009 7:07:52 AM PDT by tricky_k_1972

MOSCOW -- Russia should build a new nuclear-powered spaceship for prospective manned missions to Mars and other planets, the nation's space chief said in remarks released Thursday.

Anatoly Perminov first proposed building the ship at a government meeting Wednesday but initially didn't explain its purpose.

He said in remarks posted Thursday on his agency's Web site that the nuclear spaceship should be used for human flights to Mars and other planets. He said the project is challenging technologically, but could capitalize on the Soviet and Russian experience in the field.

Perminov said the preliminary design could be ready by 2012. He said it would then take nine more years and 17 billion rubles (about $600 million, or euro400 million) to build the ship.

President Dmitry Medvedev backed the project Wednesday and urged the government to find the money.

"The project is aimed at implementing large-scale space exploration programs, including a manned mission to Mars, interplanetary travel, the creation and operation of planetary outposts," Perminov's Web statement said.

The ambitious plans contrast with slow progress on building a replacement to the mainstay Russian spacecraft, sounding more like a plea for extra government cash than a detailed proposal.

Russia is using Soyuz booster rockets and capsules, developed 40 years ago, to send crews to the International Space Station. The development of a replacement rocket and a prospective spaceship with a conventional propellant has dragged on with no end in sight.

Despite its continuing reliance on the old technology, Russia stands to take a greater role in space exploration in the coming years. NASA's plan to retire its shuttle fleet next year will force the United States and other nations to rely on the Russian spacecraft to ferry their astronauts to and from the International Space Station until NASA's new manned ship becomes available.

Perminov said the new nuclear-powered ship should have a megawatt-class nuclear reactor, as opposed to small nuclear reactors that powered some Soviet military satellites. The Cold War-era Soviet spy satellites had reactors that produced just a few kilowatts of power and had a life span of about a year.

Stanley Borowski, a senior engineer at NASA specializing in nuclear rocket engines, said they have many advantages for deep space missions, such as to take astronauts and gear to Mars. In deep space, nuclear rockets are twice as fuel-efficient as conventional rockets, he said.

NASA has used small amounts of plutonium in deep space probes, including those to Jupiter, Saturn, Pluto and heading out of the solar system.

The only planetary mission currently considered by Russia is a plan to send a probe to one of Mars' twin moons, Phobos. It was set to launch this year, but was delayed.Russian President Dmitry Medvedev inspects a piece of equipment at a facility...

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, center, visits a space communications


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: energy; mars; nuclear; phonybaloney; roscosmos; russia
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Well good for them, I hope they actually build the thing, at least someone would have the b@lls to fight that anti nuke crowd and build something that can actually get us somewhere.
1 posted on 10/29/2009 7:07:53 AM PDT by tricky_k_1972
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To: tricky_k_1972

I’m all for this, as long as Putin is on the first flight OUT. ;)


2 posted on 10/29/2009 7:08:32 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: tricky_k_1972

Well, there won’t be any US spacecraft in the way...thanks to the bumbling bureaucrats at NASA.


3 posted on 10/29/2009 7:11:42 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Don't fire unless fired upon, but it they mean to have a war, let it begin here." J Parker, 1775)
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To: KevinDavis

bump


4 posted on 10/29/2009 7:11:50 AM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: tricky_k_1972
Yes this is true but perhaps they may succeed in granting Congresswoman Lee’s wish and get a couple of photos of the American Flag that she thought was planted there from earlier missions!
5 posted on 10/29/2009 7:12:25 AM PDT by classified
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To: tricky_k_1972

Our nation used to attempt great things like this.


6 posted on 10/29/2009 7:13:06 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: tricky_k_1972
It's the only way to travel in deep space within our technological capability. Anything beyond the moon that takes more than about three months puts humans into the four percent probability of "Radiation Exposure Induced Death" over the course of a lifetime. That's the outside limit NASA has today.

If you want to go to Mars (and return safely to the Earth) you need to get there and back a whole lot faster than the 900 day round trip needed for chemical rockets.

7 posted on 10/29/2009 7:14:10 AM PDT by Prospero (non est ad astra mollis e terris via)
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To: tricky_k_1972
Actuall article was pulled from Suntimes
8 posted on 10/29/2009 7:14:40 AM PDT by tricky_k_1972 (Putting on Tinfoil hat and heading for the bomb shelter.)
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To: tricky_k_1972

I tend to agree. let them do the early work and testing, then we can use the technology and make it better.

However, any accident that spreads radiation will pretty much kill any further nuke ships for a very long time.


9 posted on 10/29/2009 7:21:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: tricky_k_1972

I thought the real problem always in the past was the actual weight of a small nuke engine...


10 posted on 10/29/2009 7:23:31 AM PDT by luckybogey
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To: tricky_k_1972

Once again, the left proves that the real reason for opposing nuclear power in America is to collapse our economy. It is OK with them if every country on the planet has nuclear power, except America.

CRICKETS!

This could also be a front for more disturbing Russian plans, but don’t expect the Boy King to do a thing to hamper them in any way(other than give away our missile shield program). Russia is spitting in Obama’s face and he doesn’t seem to care.


11 posted on 10/29/2009 7:24:21 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: tricky_k_1972

In this months Popular Mechanics they have a prototype of an ION engine they say can travel to Mars in 39 days.


12 posted on 10/29/2009 7:25:29 AM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: Prospero

Agreed. Time in space is a major issue. Personally I’ve turned toward the feeling that propulsion research should be our focus for now.


13 posted on 10/29/2009 7:25:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: luckybogey
The problem is not weight, the Russians have actually launched small nuclear reactors for satellites, Cosmos.

The problem with nuclear reactors in space has been, at least with the Russians, design and reliability.

Though the Russians have the most experience with the technology of actual space reactors, we in the US, and to some extent the Japanese and South Africans, have more reliable small reactors.

14 posted on 10/29/2009 7:45:57 AM PDT by tricky_k_1972 (Putting on Tinfoil hat and heading for the bomb shelter.)
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To: tricky_k_1972

Bkmk


15 posted on 10/29/2009 7:49:03 AM PDT by BenLurkin (Brave amateurs....they do their part.)
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To: edcoil

I like the Ion engine for unmanned probes or unmanned supply vehicles, but for human flight I would prefer a design that utilizes straight nuclear propulsion or nuclear thermal, with it, unlike Ion propulsion you can boost at 1 gravity for the entire flight except at turn around, this eliminates the hazards associated with weightlessness in space and shortens travel time.


16 posted on 10/29/2009 7:53:15 AM PDT by tricky_k_1972 (Putting on Tinfoil hat and heading for the bomb shelter.)
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To: tricky_k_1972
How to do it: Nuclear Salt Water Rocket. Saves on the mass required for Orion-style nuclear propulsion.
17 posted on 10/29/2009 7:53:38 AM PDT by Jagermonster (They will not force us. They will stop degrading us. They will not control us. We will be victorious)
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To: cripplecreek
"I tend to agree. let them do the early work and testing, then we can use the technology and make it better."

The US already has the technology sitting on the shelf. It's called NERVA, and was developed in the late 1960-70 time frame before the antinuke greens contaminated politics.

18 posted on 10/29/2009 8:09:14 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: AD from SpringBay
Sad ain't it. :(
19 posted on 10/29/2009 8:11:38 AM PDT by MotorCityBuck (Page 73, Johnson, Navin)
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To: Redleg Duke
The US is sinking into socialism while the Russians go for Mars.
Thirty years ago I'd have thought it would be the opposite.
20 posted on 10/29/2009 8:20:44 AM PDT by Aroostook25
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