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To: Peter Libra
I understand the anger of the media's blackout of some particularly horrific black on white crime and it's difficult to read about the murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom without thinking I could put Saddam Hussein's plastic shredder execution device to good use, but the truth is that such sensational crimes (as well as the rape and murder you mentioned) are nearly as rare as the murder of James Byrd by a group of white racists.

According to Department of Justice statistics on homicides, 86% of white victims were killed by whites and 94% of black victims were killed by blacks. Yes, blacks committed 52% of homicides during that period but they were mostly killing other black people and the percentage of whites killed by blacks (14%) is only a percentage point higher than the percentage of blacks in the general population (13%), meaning that if all of the white people killed in a year were killed by a random member of the population, you'd expect 13% of white people to be killed by a black person. My point here is that while it's unrealistic to pretend that black-on-white violence doesn't exist and that only white-on-black violence is a problem, it's equally incorrect to portray black-on-white crime as a particularly acute problem. And just as the James Byrd slaying was hardly characteristic of the way most white people treat black people, the slaying of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom is hardly characteristic of the way most black people treat white people.

Let me give you a particular experience that I had to prove the point. Some friends lived just down the road from a particularly rough black neighborhood in New Jersey that saw race riots in the 1960s. I decided to stop in the McDonalds in that rough neighborhood before heading over to their house one night. A group of cocky young black men there that night decided to play "Let's stop whitey from getting served" and kept cutting in front of me to talk to the cashier or order something (as one would finish up, another would step in). I simply patiently waited there and finally the black woman behind the counter said to one of them, "I think he's next," and took my order. If I wanted to, I could focus on the racist young black men who were hassling me, sure, but that ignores the fact that the young black woman behind the counter, seeing how unfairly they were treating me, put an end to it, too. You mentioned a black truck driver intervening to help a white victim in Flint. Blacks also intervened to help white victims during the LA Riots and in other instances of black on white violence. There are good and bad black people. There are good and bad white people. And if you can't look past race, you won't see the good.

Yes, it makes sense to use stereotypes to assess risk. Young black men who look and act like thugs should be avoided, not because they are black but because they look and act like thugs. You should avoid white and Asians who look and act like that, too. And elderly black man, and elderly black woman, a young black man dressed in a suit carrying himself like a professional, and so on don't pose a threat any more than the ubiquitous Swedish old lady or Amish teenager does. And if you don't look at more than race, you can and will miss a great deal that's far more important than race in assessing threats.

65 posted on 10/17/2009 11:26:10 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions

High quality post QA, Thanks


75 posted on 10/18/2009 5:03:59 AM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: Question_Assumptions

Mainstream media repeatedly reports black-on-white assault as an “economic crime” and nearly always follows up with a quote from a local LEO stating that the crime was determined not to be “racially motivated”. Yet, white-on-black assault is almost always categorized as a “hate crime” prosecutable under hate crime statutes. An impartial observer would have to be blind or naive not to see the operative jurisprudential double standard.

On an anecdotal level, as a white male I know of black men in the workplace who make no effort to disguise their preference for white women, and at the same time actively avoid any involvement with women of their own race.

Also on an anecdotal level, it seems black men are the only men who are sanctioned by our society to display what was once thought to be traditional male dominance behavior. The same behavior in a white male elicits criticism and accusations of sexism from most women. Does this “license” have something to do with why so many white females prefer black and minority males as partners?

In other words, have we succeeded in institutionalizing a form of “racist mating behavior” to the point where we are encouraging what many black male ethnocentrists consider to be “racial suicide”? The suicide reference is to the empirical conclusion that repeated mating of blacks with whites will result in the eventual eradication of blacks as an identifiable race.


78 posted on 10/18/2009 6:48:08 AM PDT by 4Runner
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To: Question_Assumptions
Your carefully worded reply has impelled me to think things through. I would prefer to try to account for certain views, by levelling accusations at the forces that impelled them. When the MSM continually showed the beating of one Rodney King, it went beyond the proper presentation of news.

It incited people, and the favourable verdict initially ,on the police who were accused, touched that off. Yet, the brutal beating of Reginald Denny, the truck driver was quickly shown and rarely, by the media. This bias made it even worse. It seems to me that the press was responsible for the ways of people to react. One way is to engage in racial slurs and mock at their dialect. This way has always been with us. As you say, it does set up the rest of us, by the liberal media. How quick are some of them to lump all of us in, with this means of reacting.

Another way to deal with that debacle was to level jokes about it. I excuse this way, because it is a means of defusing the situation somewhat. Mr Limbaugh had referred to the perpetrator of the senseless assault on truck driver Denny, as "Football" Williams. He referred to Denny as "Hamburger" Denny. I presume Mr Limbaugh realised the peril of more incitement. Funny thing though, by posting this, I only just realised why Mr Limbaugh joked. Thank goodness that he did.

Thus there are two ways, when people are utterly frustrated, outrage and or, to joke about it. I note your statistics on racially motivated crime. Yes, I have a favourable view of certain black people. In 1991, I was turned around in Chicago. I pulled over to look at my map. A vehicle came and parked adjacent to mine. The driver, an African-American showed me a chromium badge. He advised me to drive on and not stop. He said he was a volunteer patrolman. I said to him "you are an ambassador". He said "once a fireman, always a fireman". I drove up Jackson next right and headed for Skokie.

We all have to work at bringing black citizens, both in Canada and the USA on side. The ones who feel stereotyped. No, I don't mean the phonies of the media and their patronizing approach. Just act so they know they are regarded fairly. One does not have to fall over themselves though- people really do not like that.

A bit of a sermon on my part.

89 posted on 10/18/2009 9:34:50 AM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Question_Assumptions
My point here is that while it's unrealistic to pretend that black-on-white violence doesn't exist and that only white-on-black violence is a problem, it's equally incorrect to portray black-on-white crime as a particularly acute problem.

So we whities should just not care about horrific levels of black-on-black violence?

How about the fact that many of our cities (and increasingly our suburbs) aren't safe for ANY decent people of ANY color?

99 posted on 10/18/2009 11:04:35 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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