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To: CharlesWayneCT

You still don’t get it.

You misrepresented the study, as I demonstrated with careful analysis.


88 posted on 10/17/2009 8:17:25 AM PDT by zipper
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To: zipper

I had no qualms about your discussion of the study and it’s limitations — that’s what I asked you to do in my other post, which was a response to a different comment where you attributed the study information to me, and I wanted to correct you.

I appreciate that you posted the actual graph showing that, IN THE STUDY, their data said the safest group was those with 5000-9999 hours. That’s what I said in my post, and the graph you posted shows that I posted the facts as presented by the study.

I appreciate your expert analysis of the study and your opinion as to why the raw data of the study wasn’t germaine.

I did notice the study was more about age of pilots, not experience.

I haven’t been able to find any other study online that shows death rate vs. experience. You have implied that this data is known, and that experience reduces the death rate. Could you please post the actual data that shows this to be the case?

Because I tried, but apparently the study I posted was inadequate. You are the expert, so please provide me the data that would be factual so I can see. Thanks.


89 posted on 10/17/2009 8:58:14 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: zipper

Let me speak more plainly.

I don’t “believe” that more flight hour experience translates to fewer deaths in a linear fashion, although I am willing to be persuaded by evidence.

When this flight-hours == lower death rate was asserted, I tried to find evidence for or against it, and the only study I found on the net was the one I posted.

You have dismissed the study as useful for the purpose I was trying to use it for.

SO I am asking you to provide a link to a study that WOULD be useful to either prove or disprove the assertion that more flight hours == lower death rate.

In my opinion, there are so few deaths in airplanes that the data will have too much noise in it to make any claims about experience. Since it seems from my cursory study that most plane crashes are catastrophic mechanical failures (which no amount of experience would help), it could well be that the raw data will show that more experienced pilots, flying longer routes and more complicated aircraft, might end up having a HIGHER death rate.

This goes back though to the basic question — how many deaths do the FACTS suggest would be prevented by doubling the minimum hour rule, how much does it cost to double the rule, and is the cost worth it for the number of deaths prevented?

Without actual data, it seems we are all just speculating.

But I can’t imagine, given the number of deaths/passenger mile differences between planes and buses, that the money wouldn’t be better “spent” training bus drivers instead of airline pilots.


90 posted on 10/17/2009 9:19:58 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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