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Could the Large Hadron Collider be held back by its own future?
The Telegraph ^ | 10/13/2009 | Richard Alleyne

Posted on 10/13/2009 3:53:11 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

Its discoveries could be so "abhorrent to nature" that they are coming back to stop their own creation.

Forget the far-fetched belief that it will create a black hole, two distinguished physicists have gone even further claiming nature itself is stopping the troubled £4.4billion project from getting off the ground.

In a theory reminiscent of the time travelling film Back to the Future, the theoretical physicists Holger Nielsen, from Denmark, and Masao Ninomiya, from Japan, have concluded that its discoveries could be so "abhorrent to nature" that they are coming back to stop their own creation.

They have outlined their thoughts in a series of papers with titles like “Test of Effect From Future in Large Hadron Collider: a Proposal” and “Search for Future Influence From LHC.”

The pair's hypothesis centres around the Higgs Boson, a mysterious tiny particle and building block of life that it is hoped the LHC will discover.

They have come up with a theory that it will "ripple backward through time" and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.

"It must be our prediction that all Higgs producing machines shall have bad luck,” Dr. Nielsen said.

He said that his theories may even provide a "model for God" who "rather hates Higgs particles, and attempts to avoid them”.

The world's biggest and most complex experiment to date, the LHC has taken 10,000 researchers more than 15 years to build.

Eventually it is hoped that by firing particles around a 17-mile underground tunnel near Geneva, it can recreate conditions that existed fractions of a second after the Big Bang.

At the same scientists hope to locate a mysterious particle known as the Higgs Boson or God Particle which gives everything its mass

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hadroncollider; lhc; stringtheory
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To: editor-surveyor

Nobody knows how it all began so one shouldn’t be so quick to dismiss a theory. Maybe the big bang happened, maybe God did it, maybe the answer is so completely beyond our knowing that it’ll take thousands of generations before humans will be able to grasp the truth. We just don’t know.

If you want to go the God route, that’s cool. If someone else wants to go the big bang route, that should be cool, too.


21 posted on 10/13/2009 4:19:24 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( Hey 0bama, Kenya show us the long-form BC? ))))
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To: achilles2000

Some patent office guy said everything that could be invented already had been.


22 posted on 10/13/2009 4:24:42 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( Hey 0bama, Kenya show us the long-form BC? ))))
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To: bruinbirdman

OH good grief. And dragons live off the flat edge of the earth.....


23 posted on 10/13/2009 4:25:03 PM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: GourmetDan
More likely is that the Higgs boson doesn’t even exist and they’ll have to throw out everything they currently believe to be ‘true’ and start over...

That would actually be a more exciting result, but there would be no need to throw out everything they believe.

24 posted on 10/13/2009 4:25:30 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

The ‘God route’ includes an explanation in writing that fits all the evidence. The ‘bang’ requires imagining up all sorts of non-existant stuff.


25 posted on 10/13/2009 4:31:39 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: bruinbirdman

Duplicate post:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2361728/posts


26 posted on 10/13/2009 4:34:15 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

The above post was enabled by the Hadron Collider.


27 posted on 10/13/2009 4:35:52 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: bruinbirdman

http://www.deism.com/einstein.htm

(The following quotes are taken from The Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press unless otherwise noted)

“My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.”

(The following is from Einstein and Religion by Max Jammer, Princeton University Press)
“I’m not an atheist, and I don’t think I can call myself a pantheist.


28 posted on 10/13/2009 4:38:01 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Never give up- Keep Up!!!)
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To: sourcery

That’s awful! But I did laugh.


29 posted on 10/13/2009 4:42:21 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: editor-surveyor

Hole or Whole or Here:

http://www.leaderu.com/offices/schaefer/docs/bigbang.html


30 posted on 10/13/2009 4:42:24 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Never give up- Keep Up!!!)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

Thank you!


31 posted on 10/13/2009 4:43:34 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: editor-surveyor

If you’re right, we’ll all know after we leave this existence. I’m in the “I don’t know” category and will remain there until actual verifiable evidence is presented for me to examine and understand.

Quite frankly, I hope you’re right and God does exist, but I wish He’d do some form of direct manifestation that would let each and every person on earth know the truth without a need for any interpretation. Nothing mystical or cryptic (like a burning bush or a Jesus-shaped stain on a wall), just show up and be God and let everyone see that He’s real and then let us know what our religions have gotten right and what they’ve gotten wrong.


32 posted on 10/13/2009 4:43:57 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( Hey 0bama, Kenya show us the long-form BC? ))))
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To: bruinbirdman; SunkenCiv

When is now Ping.


33 posted on 10/13/2009 4:46:01 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: Darksheare; NicknamedBob

When is now?


34 posted on 10/13/2009 4:47:03 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: bruinbirdman
There is a theory of 'causality' in physics and philosophy that basically talks about "the cart before the horse" that speaks to this argument. A definition of this theory is " ...the relationship between an event (the cause) and a second event (the effect), where the second event is a direct consequence of the first."

These guys seem to be in favor of an impersonal universe attempting to kill its own grandfather. Potentially good Science Fiction but it reminds me of an earlier speculation about how astronomic observations may actually decrease the potential lifespan of the universe. Sometimes you think that working on the edges of the known causes the loosening of the bounds of rational thought!

35 posted on 10/13/2009 4:47:18 PM PDT by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Hey, if you guys don’t want the thing any more, give my the scrap metal and I’ll get rid of it for you.


36 posted on 10/13/2009 4:50:24 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: fanfan; NicknamedBob

Not my fault, honest.


37 posted on 10/13/2009 4:51:13 PM PDT by Darksheare (Tar is cheap, and feathers are plentiful.)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

He’s already done that; its called the Bible.


38 posted on 10/13/2009 4:52:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: sodpoodle

The poor dude can’t even recognize the simple fact that the primary features of the bang are in 180 degree opposition to God’s word.

Education is a waste for some.


39 posted on 10/13/2009 4:58:26 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: SES1066

I was under the impression that this machine isn’t even able to approach natural cosmic ray energy. This is a pretty far fetched theory. Then again, it is almost 2012..


40 posted on 10/13/2009 5:00:37 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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