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Could the Large Hadron Collider be held back by its own future?
The Telegraph ^ | 10/13/2009 | Richard Alleyne

Posted on 10/13/2009 3:53:11 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

Its discoveries could be so "abhorrent to nature" that they are coming back to stop their own creation.

Forget the far-fetched belief that it will create a black hole, two distinguished physicists have gone even further claiming nature itself is stopping the troubled £4.4billion project from getting off the ground.

In a theory reminiscent of the time travelling film Back to the Future, the theoretical physicists Holger Nielsen, from Denmark, and Masao Ninomiya, from Japan, have concluded that its discoveries could be so "abhorrent to nature" that they are coming back to stop their own creation.

They have outlined their thoughts in a series of papers with titles like “Test of Effect From Future in Large Hadron Collider: a Proposal” and “Search for Future Influence From LHC.”

The pair's hypothesis centres around the Higgs Boson, a mysterious tiny particle and building block of life that it is hoped the LHC will discover.

They have come up with a theory that it will "ripple backward through time" and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.

"It must be our prediction that all Higgs producing machines shall have bad luck,” Dr. Nielsen said.

He said that his theories may even provide a "model for God" who "rather hates Higgs particles, and attempts to avoid them”.

The world's biggest and most complex experiment to date, the LHC has taken 10,000 researchers more than 15 years to build.

Eventually it is hoped that by firing particles around a 17-mile underground tunnel near Geneva, it can recreate conditions that existed fractions of a second after the Big Bang.

At the same scientists hope to locate a mysterious particle known as the Higgs Boson or God Particle which gives everything its mass

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hadroncollider; lhc; stringtheory
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1 posted on 10/13/2009 3:53:11 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

Sounds like the makings of an interesting movie.


2 posted on 10/13/2009 3:57:29 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: bruinbirdman
firing particles around a 17-mile underground tunnel near Geneva...

The endpoint of the 17-mile tunnel:


3 posted on 10/13/2009 3:57:40 PM PDT by C210N (A patriot for a Conservative Renaissance!)
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To: bruinbirdman

If they don’t want to hunt for Higgs bosons anymore, I know where there’s a plentiful source of bogons that they can study.


4 posted on 10/13/2009 3:57:57 PM PDT by thulldud (It HAS happened here!)
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To: bruinbirdman

Bosons? This Thread Is Worthless Without Pictures!


5 posted on 10/13/2009 4:00:23 PM PDT by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Far out man!


6 posted on 10/13/2009 4:00:25 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: bruinbirdman
particle accelerator rap

7 posted on 10/13/2009 4:01:25 PM PDT by robomatik
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To: bruinbirdman

More likely is that the Higgs boson doesn’t even exist and they’ll have to throw out everything they currently believe to be ‘true’ and start over...


8 posted on 10/13/2009 4:02:25 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: bruinbirdman
He said that his theories may even provide a "model for God" who "rather hates Higgs particles, and attempts to avoid them”.

This guy needs more human contact so he won't have to channel satan.

9 posted on 10/13/2009 4:03:06 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: bruinbirdman

Hmmm....so they’re sending Higgsy Moran to enforce the rules?

Q: When will the Hadron Collider become operational?

A: When Higgs fly...


10 posted on 10/13/2009 4:03:33 PM PDT by sourcery (Those whom the gods would destroy they first make socialist...)
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To: ichabod1

I don’t know who this Higgs chick is, but they’re spending a boatload of money checking out her bosom.


11 posted on 10/13/2009 4:03:39 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: bruinbirdman

(A FReeper on another thread piqued my interest)

http://www.around.com/chaos.html

Chaos poses problems that defy accepted ways of working in science. It makes strong claims about the universal behavior of complexity. The first chaos theorists, the scientists who set the discipline in motion, shared certain sensibilities. They had an eye for pattern, especially pattern that appeared on different scales at the same time. They had a taste for randomness and complexity, for jagged edges and sudden leaps. Believers in chaos—and they sometimes call themselves believers, or converts, or evangelists—speculate about determinism and free will, about evolution, about the nature of conscious intelligence. They feel that they are turning back a trend in science toward reductionism, the analysis of systems in terms of their constituent parts: quarks, chromosomes, or neurons. They believe that they are looking for the whole.


12 posted on 10/13/2009 4:04:00 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Never give up- Keep Up!!!)
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To: GourmetDan
"More likely is that the Higgs boson doesn’t even exist and they’ll have to throw out everything they currently believe to be ‘true’ and start over"

Since the 'big bang' never happened, I'll take 20 tons of that.

13 posted on 10/13/2009 4:06:30 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: BipolarBob
I don’t know who this Higgs chick is, but they’re spending a boatload of money checking out her bosom.

I don't understand either. The article says it's very small. The scientists must be pedophiles or something.

14 posted on 10/13/2009 4:08:11 PM PDT by fso301
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To: sodpoodle
"They believe that they are looking for the whole."

I found it, its in their heads.

15 posted on 10/13/2009 4:08:50 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: bruinbirdman

Could it be that the thing has design problems, is malfunction prone, and those connected with it are too ashamed to admit this in public?


16 posted on 10/13/2009 4:09:35 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: BipolarBob
I don’t know who this Higgs chick is, but they’re spending a boatload of money checking out her bosom.

We're kind of stupid that way.

17 posted on 10/13/2009 4:09:37 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Well, strange things happen when you enter the realm of quantum mechanics.

Perhaps Schrödinger’s Cat is responsible for this strange phenomenon.


18 posted on 10/13/2009 4:10:57 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: sodpoodle
"They believe that they are looking for the whole."

Like many people who claim to be athiests yet spend their lives looking for God.

yitbos

19 posted on 10/13/2009 4:16:39 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: the anti-liberal

They are taking their models too seriously. In fifty years these scientists’ comments will be objects of fun - rather like the comments at the turn of the 19th Century by someone whose name eludes me now to the effect that nearly everything important had been discovered.

There will be no blackhole and no reverse causation or time travel to prevent the “dreaded Higgs Boson from being found - if it exists at all.


20 posted on 10/13/2009 4:17:54 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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