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To: Red Steel
My post 484 slam dunked you. So again, your allusion or delusions or illusions that Palin was likely born in Canada. Answer: zilch. As you see, there's plenty of evidence that Obama is not NBC.

So to reiterate, the evidence you present that Obama was born in Kenya is:

- A Swahili-translated telephone conversation from October 2008 with Obama's step-grandmother, where she said that she was "present" for Obama's birth, before stating in her next comment (and several minutes of subsequent comments) that he was born in Hawaii, not Kenya.
- A morning-show radio call from November 2008 to a Kenyan official who may have never met Obama and has no reason to know where Obama was born.
- Some ambiguous parliament floor comments from November 2008 made by Kenyan legislators who have never met Obama and have no reason to know where Obama was born.

In other words, after a year and a half of people suggesting that Obama was born in Kenya, and searching for evidence to support that suggestion that he was born in Kenya, that's what you have? A couple of comments from unknowledgeable third parties and a mistake from his grandma? One set of ambiguous comments and two statements from non-native English speakers who were asked leading questions over the phone? And nothing that could have actually instigated the rumors in the first place, or carried them for the first six months of their circulation?

The fact that that's ALL there is after a year and a half of talk is only further evidence that the rumors are, and always were, unsubstantiated.

Oh, really?? Then it's way past time to challenge Nader on his citizenship status.

The point of mentioning Nader is this: if no one, anywhere, accused Nader of not being a natural born citizen in 1996, or 2000, or 2004 because of his parents' citizenship, then it rather strongly suggests that there is not and never has been a parental citizenship requirement to be an American natural born citizen for the purpose of the Presidency. The 'two citizen parent'/'no dual citizenship at birth' definitions (which aren't synonymous, even though people tend to talk like they are) were practically created in summer 2008 to advance the theory that Obama was ineligible.

589 posted on 10/13/2009 2:03:34 PM PDT by LorenC
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To: LorenC
The 'two citizen parent'/'no dual citizenship at birth' definitions (which aren't synonymous, even though people tend to talk like they are) were practically created in summer 2008 to advance the theory that Obama was ineligible.

You qualified your statement by using the word "practically," but the two citizen parent definition of natural born citizen (granted - outside of the law) existed prior to the founding of the Constitution.

606 posted on 10/13/2009 2:16:04 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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To: LorenC
You questioned if Palin could have been born in Canada without a shred of evidence. Then you go on to Nader being possibly being a duel citizen that no one has challenge him on. These two points and topic sliding and a straw man argument - completely irrelevant.Go start up a website to challenge Nader and I'll support you in that endeavor if you got the facts that he is and cannot be president.

The question here is if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen with having the same intent as our founding fathers. The preponderance of evidence I gave you up thread ways heavily against Obama. You can poo poo it all you want, but the mere fact that Obama had a British/Kenyan citizenship at birth makes Obama not eligible to be president.

then it rather strongly suggests that there is not and never has been a parental citizenship requirement to be an American natural born citizen for the purpose of the Presidency. The 'two citizen parent'/'no dual citizenship at birth' definitions (which aren't synonymous, even though people tend to talk like they are) were practically created in summer 2008 to advance the theory that Obama was ineligible.

It's NOT a theory that being born to two US citizens and being born inside the United States makes the person a Natural Born Citizen. There is no question about this fact. See MINOR v. HAPPERSETT

If Obama thought he had a case, which he and you know and others he does not, would leave the pre-trial BS wrangling and let these cases go to trial on the merits.

You'll find out fast enough about original US Constitutional intent about the meaning of Natural Born Citizen, which would leave you and Obama in utter defeat. As in NO duels citizens being NBC, and probably find that Obama was born somewhere else other than inside the United States. We are waiting for you to make your argument in court not pre-trail BS. Bock bock bock.

690 posted on 10/13/2009 3:34:31 PM PDT by Red Steel
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