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To: LorenC
You questioned if Palin could have been born in Canada without a shred of evidence. Then you go on to Nader being possibly being a duel citizen that no one has challenge him on. These two points and topic sliding and a straw man argument - completely irrelevant.Go start up a website to challenge Nader and I'll support you in that endeavor if you got the facts that he is and cannot be president.

The question here is if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen with having the same intent as our founding fathers. The preponderance of evidence I gave you up thread ways heavily against Obama. You can poo poo it all you want, but the mere fact that Obama had a British/Kenyan citizenship at birth makes Obama not eligible to be president.

then it rather strongly suggests that there is not and never has been a parental citizenship requirement to be an American natural born citizen for the purpose of the Presidency. The 'two citizen parent'/'no dual citizenship at birth' definitions (which aren't synonymous, even though people tend to talk like they are) were practically created in summer 2008 to advance the theory that Obama was ineligible.

It's NOT a theory that being born to two US citizens and being born inside the United States makes the person a Natural Born Citizen. There is no question about this fact. See MINOR v. HAPPERSETT

If Obama thought he had a case, which he and you know and others he does not, would leave the pre-trial BS wrangling and let these cases go to trial on the merits.

You'll find out fast enough about original US Constitutional intent about the meaning of Natural Born Citizen, which would leave you and Obama in utter defeat. As in NO duels citizens being NBC, and probably find that Obama was born somewhere else other than inside the United States. We are waiting for you to make your argument in court not pre-trail BS. Bock bock bock.

690 posted on 10/13/2009 3:34:31 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

The drafters of the Constitution who were also members of the 1st Congress thought, given the 1790 statute, that Congress had the power to set the parameters of Natural Born. Native born would be the floor. Naturalized at birth via statute would be the ceiling.


695 posted on 10/13/2009 3:38:35 PM PDT by kukaniloko
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To: Red Steel; Bubba Ho-Tep
You questioned if Palin could have been born in Canada without a shred of evidence.

Which is precisely how everyone alleging that Obama was born in Kenya acted up through late October 2008. Months upon months of rumors and allegations, with ZERO evidence. And then, finally, with the Sarah Obama tape, someone manufactured a shred.

And you can't point to any evidence that actually supported the 'born in Kenya' theory during its first half-year in existence, because there wasn't any. For instance, one of the main arguments during those early months was that Obama's grandmother, half-brother, and half-sister had said they'd witnessed a Kenyan birth. Of course, no one could ever identify when they said this, or where, or to who, so it was eventually recognized as a fraudulent claim by most and forgotten.

These two points and topic sliding and a straw man argument - completely irrelevant...

You can poo poo it all you want, but the mere fact that Obama had a British/Kenyan citizenship at birth makes Obama not eligible to be president.

And side-stepping the lack of actual, substantive evidence supporting the 'born in Kenya' theory, in order to shift focus back to dual citizenship, isn't topic-shifting?

It's NOT a theory that being born to two US citizens and being born inside the United States makes the person a Natural Born Citizen. There is no question about this fact.

Tell ya what. I bet I could get several Constitutional law professors to say, clearly and concisely, that it's NOT a fact. That there is not two-citizen-parent requirement.

If I did that, and reposted their statements here, would you concede that they're right and that your definition is not the authoritative one?

If Obama thought he had a case, which he and you know and others he does not, would leave the pre-trial BS wrangling and let these cases go to trial on the merits.

Isn't the usual argument that Obama is wasting TOO MUCH money on these lawsuits? Having them go to trial would cost MORE!

As in NO duels citizens being NBC

So is the requirement 'two citizen parents' or 'no dual citizenships at birth'? They aren't the same thing, after all. Someone could fail to satisfy only one, or both. For instance, Bubba Ho-Tep stated earlier in this thread he was born a dual citizen, and he was assured that he was still as NBC because both his parents were citizens.

If I'm going to ask my professors for clarification on the definition, I need to know which definition you're alleging is the true one.

708 posted on 10/13/2009 3:49:30 PM PDT by LorenC
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