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Darker side of Columbus taught in US classrooms
AP ^ | October 12, 2009 | Christine Armario

Posted on 10/12/2009 8:05:15 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement

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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
Because how could he discover America if there were already people living here?’’

That's the problem with these people, they don't understand the American concept or appreciate the opportunities of what a truly free country offers.

We're not special, in fact we're the problem in the world, I am so sick of this.

21 posted on 10/12/2009 8:19:37 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Obama's Blackberry, who's on the other end?)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

“He was very mean, very bossy”

There can be only ONE captain of a ship.

This kid will be a very poor employee. He thinks no one should be the boss.


22 posted on 10/12/2009 8:19:51 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Who cares about the Indians? Not me. They were a group of barbarians, in some cases cannibals, who constantly fought against competing tribes well before the Europeans showed up. Lefty weasels and fruits attempt to portray these barbarians as ‘peace-loving, spiritual people’ when in actuality they killed and mutilated each other while battling for the same turf they ultimately lost to the Europeans. They have contributed very little to the world, in any way, and it’s an overall positive that this great land was settled by people with more ability and virtue.


23 posted on 10/12/2009 8:20:25 AM PDT by raptor29
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

You’ll never see these libs mess with “Arbor Day”! :)


24 posted on 10/12/2009 8:20:27 AM PDT by albie
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To: massgopguy

“and the indiginous people didn’t have the wheel.”
And since I was born in the U.S.A. (of European descent), I’m indiginous too, right. And indignant!


25 posted on 10/12/2009 8:21:35 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
It occurs to me (not for the first time) that the large Hispanic immigration which is now happening is almost payback for Columbus. The folks crossing our southern border do not look like fairskinned Spaniards. The folks in Mexico and Central America today have genetically very mixed, and in large part Native American. They are coming up north, and they are very receptive to the idea that Columbus was an evil man.

Let's go back many, many centuries. A lot of folks think that the Barbarian Invasions which toppled Rome were a series of military campaigns. Not so. Yes, there were battles, but mostly it was a mass migration of peoples with a different culture. The Mediterranean culture of Caesar, Cicero, and Vergil was overwhelmed by an outside culture that had different values.

This is what we see happening to us today.

26 posted on 10/12/2009 8:21:44 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

One moment in the movie 1492 that I liked...

Columbus confronts his persecutor and says, what you can never change is the fact that I did it. And you didn’t.


27 posted on 10/12/2009 8:22:55 AM PDT by marron
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To: Clemenza

We went to school not very far apart. When I was in kindergarten in PS 45 in South Ozone Park in 1955-56, about 90% of my classmates were descendants of slaves and I cannot recall how Columbus Day was covered. When I moved on to Christ the King in Springfield Gardens a couple years later, we had a high “last name ending in vowel” factor, though most of the sisters were Irish. Columbus was, nonetheless, a good Catholic and not in the least bit a Protestant and therefore a good person.


28 posted on 10/12/2009 8:23:39 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The People have abdicated our duties; ... and anxiously hope for just two things: bread and circuses)
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To: Cheetahcat

Kindergarten?? That teacher needs horse whipped.
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He would likely enjoy that.


29 posted on 10/12/2009 8:25:06 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: raptor29

Gee....Sounds just like what I told my grandchildren...And I have indian friends...


30 posted on 10/12/2009 8:25:59 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: laweeks

The NEA and TEACHERS SHOULD LOVE COLUMBUS...

Columbus was the PERFECT DEMOCRAT!
He did not know where he was Going.
When he got back, he could NOT SAY where he’d been.
And He did it ALL with a GOVERNMENT GRANT!


31 posted on 10/12/2009 8:27:30 AM PDT by gwilhelm56 (I will DIE with Israel BY MY SIDE, rather than LIVE with the CHAINS of ISLAM on my Back!)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

They might want to teach the darker side of the Obamaloon.

(And libs, please don’t try the racist stuff...this is not referring to his color. Your guy is a commie idiot, pure and simple.)


32 posted on 10/12/2009 8:28:38 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
I talk about the situation where he didn’t even realize where he was,

Ah, maybe that's because of the limited capability of navigation, measuring, and mapping equipment of the day.

Columbus, a brilliant thinker and mathematician had calculated from all equipment and observations available to him, that the Earth was spherical, but calculated a circumference about 30% smaller than the actual circumference. It was an astounding accomplishment for the day.

Arriving after a difficult voyage and expecting Asia, nothing matched, but it only took a couple days, still in his exhausted state, to figure out that he had DISCOVERED an unknown continent and recalculate with 95% accuracy.

33 posted on 10/12/2009 8:29:01 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

My daughter thought Columbus was a pirate. That’s what her teacher told her, she said.


34 posted on 10/12/2009 8:29:55 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
“Viking Maps” and sagas, to the extent they actually existed are at best ephemera, not part of mankind’s base of knowledge. That information had almost no influence on the wider world’s perception, unlike Columbus.

I always phrase it as Columbus opened the trade routes to the new world. Sure the clovis (sp?) people walked here, but they never walked back. The Vikings came, looked around and went home. Once Columbus showed up there was a steady stream of ships in both directions that has never stopped.

If the insistence is on the word discover, just point out that if a something is discovered, then forgotten, it is possible to rediscover it. Evidence statements in the press like "Scientists discovered how Ancient Sumerians made batteries from clay jars".

Columbus was a great explorer, and a lousy administrator. He was removed as governor of Hispaniola because of his poor management that resulted in the deaths of much of the local population. Columbus is definitely a man with an asterisk after his name. Great explorer and navigator, but an nasty piece of work if you were not someone he needed something from. But most of the great explorers were odd in one way or another. Hudson was mutinied, Magellan lost almost his entire fleet, Lewis and Clark were both emotionally troubled individuals. Only Cook was generally a decent person from almost every angle. And his decency and concern for his crews made him an odd ball in his day and age. People who are drawn to exploration are usually different in some way. Probably because "Normal" people don't sail off the end of the map.
35 posted on 10/12/2009 8:30:22 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world, and they are all out to get me.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
And we talked about how he was very, very mean, very bossy.

Yeah, the Captain of an expedition into the absolute unknown, with zero recon, needs to be a Nancy Pants.

36 posted on 10/12/2009 8:32:51 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
“And we talked about how he was very, very mean, very bossy.’’

As admiral of the fleet, with a royal appointment, no doubt he should have taken a vote every day as to what they should do next.

"Ay, caramba, Capitano! Turn back! We is about to fall off the edge of the world!"

37 posted on 10/12/2009 8:33:43 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

An exchange Sunday with my eldest son got me to thinking (a rare feat, indeed).

He asked if tomorrow was a holiday. I responded that it’s Columbus Day. Sensitive and bright guy that he is, he came back – half joking — with “Don’t you mean Oppression of Indigenous Peoples Day?”

He and I have debated the matter of the government’s treatment of the American Indian many times. He takes the position that we badly mistreated these original and mostly warrior inhabitants of what we now call America. I agree with him that, sadly, by violating treaties, marching them off to barren reservations, etc. we have done that, but I also reminded him that throughout history, with precious few exceptions, when two cultures have clashed, the one with the superior and more advanced technology usually prevailed.

That brought to mind a warning Mr. Jefferson issued over 2 centuries ago that “Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who do not.”

And THAT brought to my alleged mind Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize.

“Peace” has several definitions:
1. The absence of war or conflict and the necessary presence of justive. (A desirable but, according to Scripture practically unattainable goal.)
2. The absence of RESISTANCE to efforts by utopian elitists to destroy traditional national sovereignty and blend all the nations of the world into some bizarre socialistic New World Order where all will be equal – but SOME will be more equal than others.

Obama received the nomination after less than two weeks in office. The Nobel socialists apparently listened to his campaign speeches more intently than the American electorate. It seems they understood what he was well before the election.

I’m 100% convinced that the Nobel was his reward for promoting a “peace” meeting not the first definition — but the second.

Obama’s constant apologies, his repeated remarks about our unexceptionalism coupled with his rapid moves to weaken – indeed, CRIPPLE – the United States in an increasingly dangerous and envious world more than confirmed the Nobel socialists’ fond hopes. And if anyone still thinks he’s simply a naïve fool, you’ve not been paying attention. He – and his global elitist handlers – know PRECISELY what they are doing.

Which brings me back to the clash between native Americans and the technologically superior Europeans who ultimately overwhelmed them.

At what point will WE assume the role of those early natives when some technologically superior culture – made so by endless streams of “foreign aid,” technology transfers and outright theft of that technology from the global corporations who site plants in those would-be foes for the cheap labor — determines that we are ripe for conquest?

What’s even sadder is the probability that America’s obituary – if anyone who cares is around then to even write one — will declare the death of our culture a suicide.

“Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and the Republic
for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster, and what has happened once in 6,000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail,
there will be anarchy throughout the world.”
Daniel Webster

Get ready, folks, because that’s where we’re headed.


38 posted on 10/12/2009 8:34:53 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
I wondered how Jeffrey Kolowith’s union would put up with this, but then I remembered that the NEA is run by the International Communist Party, not La Cosa Nostra, that's the Teamsters.
39 posted on 10/12/2009 8:39:04 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Of course.

We used to read in all our history books that the Spanish Conquistadores were evil men who killed off all the Indians. Whereas the American Puritans were good men.

Catholics were evil, Protestants were good & noble. That was the basic story line, inherited from England and what has been called The Black Legend of the evil Spanish Catholics, the Inquisition, and so forth.

A couple of years ago someone, usually an intelligent guy, said as much to me at dinner one day. His assumption was that the Spanish enslaved and slaughtered their Indians whereas we were nice to ours.

Then how come, I asked, the Spanish intermarried with the Indians, and most of the inhabitants of Latin America are mostly of Indian ancestry? Whereas in North America there are relatively few Indians, and there has been relatively little intermarriage?

In actual fact, the Pope outlawed slavery, and after the earliest days the Conquistadores reluctantly complied. And most of the Indians later converted—largely by the influence of Our Lady of Guadalupe—and became at least nominal Catholics, giving up human sacrifice and other similar customs they used to practice. So, yes, there are a few relatively pure-bred hispanics still left at the top of the social food chain, but not really very many. Most are more Indian than Hispanic.


40 posted on 10/12/2009 8:43:56 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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