[GodGunsGuts]

Would you mind expanding on that just a little? I’m not challenging you, I just want to know a little more about what you’re referring to :o)

[who_would_fardels_bear]

Velikovsky anyone?

[bdw300]

Can anyone explain how/why the ring rotates backwards? I thought all orbits rotated in the same direction as the object in the middle.. The sun for instance is rotating in the same direction we swing around it. I thought this was because gravity was being “twisted” in that type of circle by the sun’s rotation. How can something move counter to this?

[wendy1946]

Best I can do in a short space is dribs and drabs of a very long story. Ancient literature generally describes three kinds of things which we do not have any experience with in historical times or at least since Alexander, i.e.

• Cosmic catastrophes such as the flood or the meteorite storm described in the story of Phaeton or of Joshua and the Amorites.
• The question of a different kind of solar system.
• The question of a different general paradigm for the use of the human brain and mind (Julian Jaynes).

Our solar system generally looks like a composite system, i.e. four or five of the planets have spin axes set off around 24 - 27 degrees from the plane of the system while the others have axes normal to the plane as you'd expect if the system were primordial. That's what you'd expect if an older system of some sort had been captured by a younger one.

Genesis mentions God creating two "great lights" to govern day and night. Most assume that means the sun and moon; it all but certainly means Jupiter and Saturn. Plato consistently refers to antediluvians as children or nurselings of Kronos (Saturn) and Ovid and Hesiod both claim that there had been a golden age when Saturn/Kronos had been "king of heaven" followed by the flood and then a silver age when Jupiter/Zeus was "king of heaven", followed by the Trojan war and the present ages. In the same language, the sun is the "king of heaven" now.

If you were to go to Baltimore or some such place and find a group of primitive people and offer them $100 apiece to devise an astral religion straight off the tops of their heads from scratch, they'd invariably end up worshiping the sun and the moon. The two chieftain gods of every one of those ancient astral religions nonetheless were Jupiter and Saturn.

What the ancients believed was that Saturn had once been a small star with its own solar system which we were part of.

[earglasses]

The reference to “thunderbolts” points toward the Website found at http://thunderbolts.info/home.htm Near the bottom of that page, you will find a link to the book Thunderbolts of the Gods, by David Talbott and Wallace Thornhill, which explains their Velikovsky-inspired thesis that what we now see as the planetary relationships called “the Solar System” were in a dramatically different configuration in prehistoric times.