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To: Sibre Fan; All

neither newspaper printed a false statement at the top of the announcements saying "Health Bureau Statistics." Obama's birth announcement appeared in the "Health Bureau Statistics" list in both the Honolulu Advertiser and the Star Bulletin in August 1961.

Seeing that less than 25 percent of the public believes what newspapers and the rest of the MSM reports, forgive me if I don't believe that "Health Bureau Statistics" banner.

Prove that the DOH of Hawaii actually provided the information EXCLUSIVELY to newspapers, and in the manner described.

Just because the title says, "Health Bureau Statistics", it does NOT mean that the newspapers did NOT accept vanity birth announcements from family without a birth certificate in 1961 — nor does not mean that the DOH provided the information EXCLUSIVELY to the newspapers.

Also, where's the Nordyke's birth announcements?


1,224 posted on 10/08/2009 5:32:01 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2
Seeing that less than 25 percent of the public believes what newspapers and the rest of the MSM reports, forgive me if I don't believe that "Health Bureau Statistics" banner.

No forgiveness necessary. I just wanted to clarify that you, in fact, believe that the newspapers printed false information.


Prove that the DOH of Hawaii actually provided the information EXCLUSIVELY to newspapers, and in the manner described.

This is a great area of inquiry - maybe UIPA Request # 6 from Donofrio. If I were trying to discredit/impeach the veracity of the newspaper birth announcements, I would request from the DOH the following information: All Health Bureau Statistics information released to the Honolulu Advertiser and the Star-Bulletin, or all information to which the HHB permitted the newspapers access to in August 1961. DOH cannot claim that the information they provided to newspapers is confidential, so they would have to provide that info.

I'd also go back, or have someone go back, to both newspapers to get all the birth announcements printed during the Month of August.

Once I got that information, I'd take the HHB information and compare that to the reports printed in the newspapers that month.

(a) If I found any information from the HHB statistics that were not printed in the newspapers, that would show that the newspapers cannot be relied upon for full and complete HHB statistics information. E.g., where's the Nordyke twins birth announcement? That's a great question. The announcement containing Obama's birth does have announcements of other births on August 6. Why did that announcement not have the Nordykes? Did they appear in the next week's announcement? Or, were they just missed? And, if so, why were they missed? While that doesn't prove, or tend to prove that the Obama information is inaccurate, it does cast at least some doubt on the evidentiary value of the newspaper announcements.

(b) If, when I compared the HHB statistics information to what the newspapers printed, I found information printed in the newspapers that was not contained in the HHB Statistics, that would show that the newspapers cannot be relied upon as accurate HHB statistics reports. In other words, that would cast significant doubt on the evidentiary value of the newspapers announcements.
1,279 posted on 10/09/2009 8:15:44 AM PDT by Sibre Fan
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