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To: kindred

I sure wish “Protestant” believers in Jesus had a little more mature understanding of Christianity and How God wants His Church to be. It’s called the Catholic Church. I support my protestant brethren when they oppose abortion and Jesus Himself adviced the apostles to not stop a guy who wasn’t with you because those who are with us are not against us.

But theologically, protestantism is very shallow and this is because the protestant churches had an evil beginning where they turned away from Mary, the Mother of God and they started following their own Jesus.

That’s how I see it. The author of this article sees it another way.

Where do you stand?


9 posted on 10/06/2009 6:17:12 AM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: BertWheeler
Mary, the Mother of God

It is the fetishization of Mary as "coredemtrix" that is on my top five list as to why I would never chose the RCC were I to become a Christian.

11 posted on 10/06/2009 6:22:27 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: BertWheeler; Clemenza

I agree with Clemenza, although it is actually the arrogance by which Catholics condemn those that don’t follow in lockstep with their “traditions” that abhors me the most, I see that as an evil. There is only one Jesus that died for our salvation, I will follow in lockstep with Him, thank you.


15 posted on 10/06/2009 6:35:34 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: BertWheeler

Happy St. Bartholomew’s day!


27 posted on 10/06/2009 7:06:24 AM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: BertWheeler
But theologically, protestantism is very shallow and this is because the protestant churches had an evil beginning where they turned away from Mary, the Mother of God and they started following their own Jesus.

The Reformation wasn't about "turning away from Mary." It was about turning TOWARD salvation by grace through faith. It was about trusting Christ for salvation, instead of trusting in the deeds prescribed by the "church."

I'm not a protestant, but if you are going to accuse the protestants of something, accuse them of something substantive. If revering Mary as the "mother of God" is so important, why was the practice not codified until the 5th century? The term "theotokos" doesn't even appear in early church literature until 320, almost 300 years after the resurrection of our Lord.

28 posted on 10/06/2009 7:06:30 AM PDT by Guyin4Os (My name says Guyin40s but now I have an exotic, daring, new nickname..... Guyin50s)
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To: BertWheeler

Why is it called the Catholic Church?

For one thing - we are told in the Bible - man should not set himself above other men. Jesus is who we follow - not a man.

We are also told in the Bible that we should elect elders and the criteria to select those elders is even written. These elders are shepherds of the church and of us to determine that the church follows truth.

One other thing of note - have you ever noticed that Jesus was born in a manger - not a palace. Every time God picked someone to do something - he picked - not the kings, the wealthy, the esteemed - he picked the unexpected - the meek, the common. Look at Mary - was she robed in splendor?

Jesus was a carpenter, he was beaten, mocked, tortured.

Why did God ignore the trappings of men and instead bring His Son into the world among the simple? Because God sees things differently than we do. Look at the apostles - were they wealthy, robed in splendor? Look at the prophets.

The catholic church has wonderful people - but I feel that the emphasis of the church is pompous glorification of the men chosen as leaders. Wealth and power have diminished their message. The leaders have developed all manner of ways to buy off sins - when all we are told to do is pray and ask for forgiveness and show our heart is sincere in repentence.

I firmly respect the stands the Catholic Church has taken morally in this world - but the fact they have a Pope established to be esteemed and to be between man and God - proves them a false doctrine to me, precisely because I do not find that in the Bible.


32 posted on 10/06/2009 7:27:43 AM PDT by oneaglewings
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To: BertWheeler
Luke 1
46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
50 And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.
51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
52 He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.
53 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.
54 He hath helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;
55 As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

Why did Mary require a Savior?

34 posted on 10/06/2009 7:32:19 AM PDT by Theophilus (Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?)
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To: BertWheeler

Which you have no biblical support in the veneration of Mary, and is one of the reasons why orthodox Christians cannot embrace the RCC.

Scripture alone.


36 posted on 10/06/2009 7:39:35 AM PDT by Salvavida (Restoring the U.S.A. starts with filling the empty pew at a local Bible-believing church.)
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To: BertWheeler
the protestant churches had an evil beginning where they turned away from Mary, the Mother of God and they started following their own Jesus.

Where do you stand?

In a completely different universe than you do ..

44 posted on 10/06/2009 10:35:15 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Obama has "Czars" because men with more integrity than he has still use the titles "Don" and "Capo")
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