Posted on 10/02/2009 3:35:27 PM PDT by MissTickly
President Obama's original birth certificate was "record in accordance with state policies and procedures," but his vital records were "maintained on file."
Oct,31, 2008: “...Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures..."
July 27, 2009: "“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
July 27, 2009, I asked this question of the Hawaiian DoH: "Is the Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, able to state they have verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama's AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
A careful parsing of words seems necessary because one COLB can say this: "Filed by Registrar" While another can say this: "Accepted by Registrar" Despite what you read online, or see presented by anonymous people that you've never met and you don't know-Hawaii must explain what this means. It's a procedural question that I cannot get an answer to. Why?
The last I communicated to Dr. Fukino, on October 1st, I wrote her the following, and she has not responded to correct any mischaracterizations. Please take note of that:
Dr. Fukino--
Per your press release statement on July 27, 2009, are you telling us that, in part, you saw "vital records" that include some kind of a representation of a stated "filed" and threfore pending application for an amended/corrected Birth Certificate (it was on file, not on record) and evidence filed to support an amendment/correction, but that evidence was still pending approval on July 27, 2009? I am sorry for the characterizations I give in lieu of knowing the legal jargon. Please correct me if I have mischaracterized anything.
I am finally realizing I really need to understand what 'on file' and 'filed with the registrar' means compared to "accepted by registrar" and "on record." Can you help me understand or direct me to one of your staff for explanation? If you don't already know--a woman has presented her own "filed with registrar" type COLB that she asserta represents a normal, indexed-at-birth, run of the mill Hawaiian birth certificate to natural parents with all information in pristine, original condition.
Is that possible? Should a record like I just described typically say "Accepted by Registrar?"
I have requested from the AG library archive, the opinion letter that I believe sets out the procedures for filing an application for an amended birth certificate. But I have not received it yet. If the DoH is able to provide a copy--please do.
If you meant for people to understand you in July, and if I am understanding things correctly without having the necessary AG letter. Woman, I seriously underestimated you. I want people like you working for government.
I don't know what you can answer that I just asked, if anything. But, if you can correct any mischaracterizations about policy and procedure--please do.
I am giving pause to all of this. You have been very candid, I believe. I just was too blind to see that you put it all out there for anyone paying attention. You've been as fair as can be to BOTH sides of this issue from what I can discern.
Thank you. T.
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And I brought my question from July 27, 2009 full circle:
Aloha Dr. Fukino,
Please use THIS version of my questions. So very sorry--I am struggling with the difference between the words "on file" and "on record." I am going to go with "on record." I realize I might have to resubmit at some point with the "on file" language.
If you would please answer the following questions for me per your statement on July 27, 2009:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
On July 27, 2009 per your issued statement, did you personally verify that the "vital records" you saw were NOT maintained on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?
On July 27, 2009 per your issued statement, did the Registrar of Vital Statistics personally see and verify that the "vital records" you saw were NOT maintained on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?
Thank you for your continued patience on this issue. If you would please answer the two questions above separately--that would be ideal. I am afraid that a blending of the answers will muddy your efforts to be forthcoming with the public. If you have already been forthcoming--that effort should be recognized and not distorted.
Sincerely, T.
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CONCLUSIONS? Was the President's Natural Born Citizenship verified with a long form birth certificate, an application to amend his birth place and insufficient pending evidence of that amendment? On July 28th, did Congress sell us out with a Resolution that declared that President Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961?
Did Congress provide the 'evidence' to amend the President's Birth Place.
Get answers from Hawaii. If need be, get answers from Congress.
Thanks for letting me post here FR.=)
And that’s just like me to have a typo in the first line.
CORRECTED: President Obama’s original birth certificate was “on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,” but his vital records were “maintained on file.”
Let me know your thoughts.
Welcome back to FR, Miss Tickly! Have you been unzotted??
Thanks you so much for all of your hard work.
I have been reading the updates on Leo. I must admit that I am almost thoroughly confused.
Looking forward to more investigation that will expose the Indonesian connection: amended BC and Obama’s continuing use of Indonesian citizenship to obtain student aid, passport, etc., right on into his adult years.
Little wonder since Leo is an idiot and does not even understand what a natural born American is. He thinks McCain is not.
I’m just waiting for the shaking to go on with respect to this and see what falls out of the tree. There was so much to read and I was having trouble following it. So, I will wait for Freeper analysis.
I would like to know:
Who is listed as the father on the amended(?) BC? Lolo Soetoro? Who is the mother? Ann Soetoro?
What is the name on the amended(?) BC? Barry Soetoro?
Why did the answer given recently by HI describe Obama Sr. and Ann Obama as “bride” and “groom,” as on a marriage record, and not as “mother” and “father”?
Go back to before the election when this fool first surfaced his case was shot full of holes back then even by those who believe there is something very wrong with Urkle’s birth documentation.
She was never zotted
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Leo is going for the dual citizen (british angle)?
When reading the Constitution, and I am no scholar by any means, but wouldn’t Barry have been not eligible due to both parents not having been US citizens?
Thank you very very much for your very persistent hard work. You are a patriot.
That’s good. I thought she got in hot water with the mods because of comments connected with atheism, liberal values (Hillary supporter), intemperate language, etc., and was zotted. Glad she wasn’t! Her work is valuable, whether she’s totally FR material or not!!
Go Miss Tickly!!
It looks to me like vital records that were NOT “on record in accordance with state policies and procedures” were used to verify that President Obama is a natural born citizen and born in Hawaii.
Personally—I think that’s OUTRAGEOUS.
British Citizenship Act 1948 automatically granted British Citicenship to EVERY offspring of a (MALE) British Citizen.
The only thing that gives any hope of succeeding in breaking through to the truth is the vulnerability brought on by the abject arrogance of the criminal enterprise demcrats ... they believe themselves so powerful that they need not consider the legal aspects when they want to assert their power.
Sadly, I am now questioning Leo's motives. Thank you for your persistence, TerriK/MissTickly. I fear the criminal enterprise is much bigger than your right to information. Even the response Leo has posted from HI is carefully worded to achieve deception.
Okay, so now what? Can they be forced to acknowledge what they have? and what they don’t?
Good Effort from you and Good Luck. ;)
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