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Richard Dawkins's Jewish Problem
beliefnet ^ | September 29, 2009 | David Klinghoffer

Posted on 09/30/2009 11:46:34 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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To: antiRepublicrat

“It’s pretty much a direct argument against abortion and eugenics.”

No it’s not because the general problem with evolutionist thinking is that you can use it to explain anything you want and its opposite. It is the theory of que sera, sera.

The proof is in the pudding: the most accomplished evolutionists were and still are strong advocates of abortion and/or eugenics.


41 posted on 09/30/2009 3:26:44 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Fiscal conservatism without social conservatism is dead.)
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To: ari-freedom
No it’s not because the general problem with evolutionist thinking is that you can use it to explain anything you want and its opposite.

That makes no sense.

The proof is in the pudding: the most accomplished evolutionists were and still are strong advocates of abortion and/or eugenics.

People who misused a scientific theory and didn't even bother to read all of Darwin's works. If you believe eugenics is Darwin's fault, then a logically consistent position for you to take would be to hold gun manufacturers responsible for the actions of criminals who commit crimes using guns.

42 posted on 09/30/2009 3:32:00 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

No it’s not because the general problem with evolutionist thinking is that you can use it to explain anything you want and its opposite.

“That makes no sense.”

It is a theory based on rhetorical argument as opposed to other theories that are based on mathematical equations (for example f=ma, e=mc^2, etc). Since it is not based on any firm structure, we are told to simply trust the scientists who support it. But what if they can’t be trusted?


43 posted on 09/30/2009 3:56:02 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Fiscal conservatism without social conservatism is dead.)
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To: Wacka

Better snap up a pair of those glasses, I was making light of post #18. It being so close to #19, get two pairs of those glasses, the high magnification ones.


44 posted on 09/30/2009 3:58:06 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
==Atheists, btw, don’t worship Satan.

Congratulations, you have established that even Satanic atheists don't worship Satan.

Did you mean to do that?

45 posted on 09/30/2009 4:46:44 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Hello, Mr. President we honor you today For all your great accomplishments, we all doth say "hooray!)
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To: xcamel; GodGunsGuts
Wonderfully cherry picked editorial

The thing that amuses me about that study--every time GGG posts it--is that ghosts, precognition and clairvoyance, cryptozoology, and psychic healing are defined as "occult" or "pseudoscience," while angels, 6-day creation, worldwide floods, and the healing power of prayer are apparently defined as "normal." What the study really shows, I think, is that people need to believe in something beyond themselves, and if they reject the approved set, they'll come up with something else.

46 posted on 09/30/2009 5:03:23 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: ari-freedom
It is a theory based on rhetorical argument as opposed to other theories that are based on mathematical equations

Cell theory, germ theory, plate tectonics?

But what if they can’t be trusted?

I trust the massive general agreement as it grew up in the absence of corrupting influences. Actually, I don't trust the scientists. I looked at the evidence and found it to be by far the most convincing scientific theory.

47 posted on 09/30/2009 5:07:13 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: GodGunsGuts

I thought those were flying pigs coming out of your @$$

Now how about getting back on topic, eh?


48 posted on 09/30/2009 5:17:41 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

Bingo.. more of that crack from beyond the lunatic fringe...


49 posted on 09/30/2009 5:19:27 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Oztrich Boy

There are Satanists who worship a literal Satan, and there are Satanists who worship what Satan stands for. Both are Satanic, and both are equally evil. One of my friends back in college tried to convert an atheistic Satanist over to objectivist atheism. This student was part of a Satanic ring on campus, which included several professors. The student told my friend that the atheistic Satanists identify with Satan, and are expected to spend the rest of their lives turning Judeo-Christian morality on its head. This same atheistic Satanist recounted how one of his Satanic professors used to tell him how he hated humanity and his own birth, and used to visualize all his students sitting in front of him as dead men’s bones. BTW, my friend ultimately became a theist as a result of his research in epigenetics! I’m not sure what ultimately happened to the Satanist, but it certainly was an eye-opener. But thanks for bringing it up, for your reply has reminded me to pray for that poor sinner’s sould.


50 posted on 09/30/2009 5:28:27 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: antiRepublicrat

“I trust the massive general agreement as it grew up in the absence of corrupting influences. Actually, I don’t trust the scientists. I looked at the evidence and found it to be by far the most convincing scientific theory.”

But I looked at the evidence and wasn’t convinced at all. So I am told that I must be a stupid idiot for doubting Darwin (and global warming and all sorts of other stuff) and that I must trust the scientists.


51 posted on 09/30/2009 5:34:23 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Fiscal conservatism without social conservatism is dead.)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
It's conjugation.

My beliefs are devout. Yours are eccentric. Theirs are frakin' nuts.

52 posted on 09/30/2009 5:34:32 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Hello, Mr. President we honor you today For all your great accomplishments, we all doth say "hooray!)
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To: xcamel

Funny thing.. “islamofascists” are militant creationists... just like you.


Really...just like GGG?

GGG would behead people like you given the chance?

Really?


53 posted on 09/30/2009 6:34:17 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

I hate to break it to you Lord Haw Haw but angels, 6 day creation, the flood and healing power of prayer ARE “normal”.

After all that vast right wing conspiracy goes to church in droves, Christianity in it’s own right is hundreds of millions if not a billion strong, but the same can’t be said of so many people packing buildings on Sundays or any other day of the week when it comes to...

Roswell and area 57.

Perhaps people DO need to believe in something...and let’s face it, it takes an enormous amount of faith to believe that everything just got here out of sheer happenstance, with no purpose whatsoever, without intelligence or design, for no good reason.

And let’s face it...it’s just not “normal”.

But perhaps you’ve got it all wrong, and our Creator knows a good bit more than you do!


54 posted on 09/30/2009 6:49:51 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: ari-freedom
. So I am told that I must be a stupid idiot for doubting Darwin

Doubting is great. My only problem stems from people trying to pass religion off as science. I don't even mind the idea of creation in schools, as long as it's in a religion class, not a science class.

Evolution as a scientific theory could fall tomorrow, replaced by a better scientific theory, and I'd be happy because of the advancement of science. I've said it before and I'll say it again, let me be the one to bring down evolution, I'd be rich and famous.

55 posted on 09/30/2009 7:15:57 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: tpanther
Roswell and area 57.

You're thinking of Area 51. Area 57 is where they test the ketchup.

56 posted on 09/30/2009 7:56:09 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


57 posted on 09/30/2009 8:39:45 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
You're thinking of Area 51. Area 57 is where they test the ketchup.

My beliefs may reside with those of your opponents...but that there is funny.

58 posted on 09/30/2009 10:40:15 PM PDT by csense
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To: Oztrich Boy; GodGunsGuts

Actually those words you attribute to GGG were mine, and he was trying to demonstrate that I was incorrect.

Maybe I’m just old-fashioned, but an atheist who believes in an angel (fallen though he may be) doesn’t sound like an atheist to me.

An atheist who believes in heaven doesn’t sound like an atheist to me.


59 posted on 10/01/2009 7:14:25 AM PDT by dmz
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To: GodGunsGuts; Wacka; humblegunner; xcamel

“Actually, roughly half (if not more) of the terrorist acts that are attributed to islamo-fascists are in reality carried out by revolutionary evolutionists...”

Wow, and since most terrorists are right-handed, that would mean that most right-handed people are islamo fascist revolutionary evolutionists! GGG—my sincere recommendation to you is to purge the cult of all right-handed people; they may be spies from the other side...


60 posted on 10/01/2009 8:22:04 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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