Posted on 09/09/2009 7:37:05 PM PDT by Severino
Joe Wilson screwed up their evening.
Better yet, at the end, when Obama is leaving and the cameras down on the floor are catching him shaking hands, etc., bunch of tall Republican Representatives and Senators surrounded him, smiling and laughing, patting each other on the back, and isolating Obama from the members of the Congressional Black Caucus struggling at the margins trying to get some "face time" for their districts.
There was a lot more organized politics going on that met the eye.
Joe Wilson screwed up their evening.
Better yet, at the end, when Obama is leaving and the cameras down on the floor are catching him shaking hands, etc., bunch of tall Republican Representatives and Senators surrounded him, smiling and laughing, patting each other on the back, and isolating Obama from the members of the Congressional Black Caucus struggling at the margins trying to get some "face time" for their districts.
There was a lot more organized politics going on that met the eye.
My civility Give-A-Damn is busted. Has been for a long time.
“Screw you McCain.”
I can’t think of an opponent he could have that I wouldn’t vote for.
The only thing that mitigates my distaste at JSMC calling this out of order is when he said the same thing when former President Bush 43 was heckled during a similar joint session of Congress in 2006...wait a minute...oh yeah that’s right...this buggering offal NEVER SAID A DAMN WORD!!!
“meh... Here I thought we’d found a second Republican with balls.
Looks like Sarah is still the only one... “
Michelle Bachman...don’t forget....
Ironic how the only ones with balls are women...
No, I didn’t vote for McCain in the primaries. I didn’t vote in the primaries, because I wanted to vote for Thompson but he dropped out because my state held primaries.
So there goes that theory.
Wars are not lost because one side doesn’t have enough “balls”, they’re usually lost because one side didn’t have a good plan.
I just see it differently... that is all. We are in a fight for the kind of Nation that we will live in for the rest of our lives... and a fight means someone is going to get hurt... punches are going to be thrown... some one is going to have their feelings hurt and someone is going to lose... I plan on winning and half baked attempts at some mythical high road is a recipe for losers... and I refuse to lose my country or my way of life... you seem to see decorum as being more important.
LLS
Damage Control, Congressman
As you’ll find out from the liberal press, you can’t unring a bell.
A 30 minute hero. Just damn!
Obviously Obama threw the illegals out. Now that ever wild young people force who don’t want anything to do with it, 12 mil is in reach. Keep digging.
Thanks...we meet again, apparently on the same page this time. LOL! After last night’s BC thread I awoke with a more optimistic outlook.
I was hoping for at least a 60 minute man.
He must have received a call from the IRS.
Someone wake me when a Dem apologizes--then I'll know it is the Second Coming.
“YOU LIE” was a gift that will keep on giving. It will always be associated with Barry. The apology was for “lack of civility”. It’s not over. The press and the rats are going to push for a real apology. I guarantee you all, this is not going away. What speech tonight. I only heard two honest words “You Lie”. Barry was knocked out before the fight ended.
We could use a nice Jr. Senator here in MA now that Teddy’s gone! Come on Joe, give us a try!
The truth should come with no apology no matter how much passion is used to deliver said truth. So why apologize, wimp?
What the heck happened?
OMG! Did you see the look of hate directed at him on Pelosi Galore’s face? I bet she went after him big time.
It’s a load of nonsense.
We’re stuck living up to a higher standard because of people with your similar POV.
It makes us more vulnerable whenever one of ours cheats on his wife or uses a wide stance while taking a crap.
Wilson blew a brass ring opportunity tonight.
He should have said, NUTZ! when asked to apologize.
Joe said what so many of Us were screaming into our T.V. sets in between running to the bathroom to upchuck over OBOZO HUSSEIN’S Blatant LIES and Arrogant, SNIDE and BITTER ACCUSATIONS! The Man(a term used loosely) is Mentally Deranged and Obviously Hates Everything about AMERICA! OBOZO never commented once on the Thousands of Great Successes and Attributes of Our Medical System and Professionals which is the BEST in the World!
(CNN) -- Immigrants living illegally in the United States could be mandated to have health insurance under the proposed health care reform bill but would be ineligible to receive subsidies to afford such coverage, a report from the Congressional Research Service says.
The report, prepared by the nonpartisan policy research arm of Congress, provides a close reading of the treatment of noncitizens in the House bill on health care reform, HR 3200.
While the report found that federal subsidies to obtain health coverage would be restricted to U.S. citizens and legal residents, it also noted that the bill does not specify a citizenship verification system, something that critics say creates a loophole for undocumented immigrants to receive subsidies anyway.
The report, released Tuesday, "undermines the claims of the president and others that illegal immigrants would not be covered under the House version of the bill," Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies, told CNN.
The bill specifically bars illegal immigrants from receiving payments, but opponents of the reform say that without verification, the system is open to abuse.
Rep. Dean Heller, R-Nevada, last month proposed an amendment in the House Ways and Means Committee to add a verification process. Democrats on that committee, including Rep. Xavier Becerra of California, voted it down because the rules it called for would be "unworkable," the Democrat said.
"I think the report substantiates the exact opposite of what these critics say," Becerra told CNN.
Because they don't qualify for federal money, undocumented immigrants who want health insurance would pay full freight for coverage, he said.
According to the Center for Immigration Studies, in 2007, 33.2 percent of all immigrants, legal and undocumented, did not have health insurance, compared with 12.7 percent of native-born Americans.
But with passage of the health care bill far from certain in its current form, it is too early to know how undocumented immigrants could be affected by the bill, Tamar Jacoby, president of ImmigrationWorks USA, told CNN.
“I'm pretty skeptical that illegal immigrants will come out of this legislative battle” with any new benefits, she said.
The scrutiny of this part of the bill “points to the need to fix the [immigration] system,” Jacoby said.
Estimates put the number of immigrants living illegally in the United States at 10 million to 12 million, many of whom already receive treatment in emergency rooms.
The proposed reform requires that individuals carry health insurance, and the language in the current bill may obligate undocumented immigrants to get health insurance, too, the Congressional Research Service report concluded.
It boils down to terminology. Those living in the country illegally are classified as such under immigration law, but the bill uses tax law terms that identify foreigners as either resident or nonresident aliens.
Nonresident aliens would be exempt from the required coverage, but undocumented immigrants who live in the United States for a certain amount of time during the year would be classified as residents. “Thus, it would appear that unauthorized aliens who meet the substantial presence test would be required under HR 3200 to have health insurance,” the report says.
It was less clear, however, how the mandate would be enforced for people, immigrants or not, who do not file federal income taxes.
Another part of the bill would create a health insurance exchange, where consumers could choose among insurance plans or a government-run plan. That section of the bill does not set restrictions on participants' immigration status, the report says.
But when it comes to qualifying for government subsidies for coverage for people who aren't already covered by employers or federal programs, eligibility would be based on immigration status, the report says, barring illegal immigrants from aid.
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