They can throw in "Sophist" and hit this.
This is so. Lds were highly focused on the Democrats going back to the late 1850s and early 1860s (even though they weren't officially a state until the 1890s). They were anti-Republican, in part, because the fledgling Repubs had labeled polygamy as slavery as the "twin relics of barbarism"
From the commentary: "I am a Democrat," stated Senator Harry Reid, "because I am a Mormon, not in spite of it." Like Reid, I believe that the Democratic party takes the strongest position on many moral issues. For example, King Benjamin's address in the Book of Mormon...
Hmmm...Doesn't take a cultural moral detective to render this statement as "suspect."
From the article: Finally, I am a Democrat because I believe LDS scripture and prophets have urged us to live within our means, to be fiscally responsible. Democrats believe we need to pay for any programs we create
(Oh yeah, that's what Dems are..."fiscally responsible...do we have "amens" from the Mormon Tabernacle?)
No one is good, no not one.
yeah, they believe democrats when they say we PAY for programs? Yes, WE pay and pay and pay and pay for them. Cheez.
Mr. Peterson must have no idea of the contempt liberals/post-70’s Democrats hold for Mormons. It is a bigotry that exceeds any other I have witnessed, including anti-Mormon animus I’ve seen on these boards. It is a bigotry expressed rather freely in liberal circles since they seldom have to worry about saying it within earshot of an actual Mormon.
These words were completely banished from sophisticated discussion of political and social issues and intelligent discourse. The use of “morality” was inflammatory, reactionary, right wing and reeked of religiosity and narrow mindedness. They also implied a set of absolute standards of behavior...and we all know how the libs feel about that.
The elites disallowed the use of “morality and morals” and replaced it with their politically correct antiseptic term “values”. It's no accident that you are not hearing “values” any longer. At some level a strategic decision was made that it's time to bring back “morals and morality”. They want the power to say you are immoral if you do not follow them.
They also believe it gives them leverage with people of faith. They are desperate to gain influence with people of faith. They will use any trick in the book to gain a foothold in the religious community.
So now it should be obvious who are the real religious zealots, flying their banner of morality to justify their political agenda. But I guess it's understandable. After all they are on a mission to “save the world.”
Dumber than dog crap. That’s why.
They can throw in "Sophist" and hit this.
Problem is that you cannot be a good CHRISTIAN and a Democrat. You can only serve one master. God or Baal.
I generally join the strongest party wherever I am living. This gives me access to the primaries. If we can get the most conservative candidates on the ticket most likely to win, then conservatism ( and our nation) wins.
It was not until the mid- to late-1970s that the Democratic party fell out of favor among Utah Mormon voters.
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Thius was becasue Jimmy carter was POTUS at the time and he presured them to change their racist stance against blacks...
In 1978 they introduced a nbew doctrine for political expediency and told the sheeple to hold their noses and vote for those evil republicans who had rejected the god-man George Romney twice...once in 1964 and again in 1968..
What were the numbers on Utah votes for Carter in 1976 ???
What a totally dishonest way to express what has happened! Dishonest how? Let me count the ways:
1) The issue isn't "the debate." The issue is what actually happened: The Democrats shifted from being secretly pro-abortion to openly pro-abortion.
2) Abortion is NOT a sexual issue. Abortion is a homicide issue. Anyone who says that some particular class of people should be open targets of homicide is in favor of legal discrimination.
This article reads just like something spewed out by Doug Kmiec or any other pathetic pro-abortion "Catholic."
I think the Mormon leaders who align themselves with RATs had better take notice that the RAT party today is not the Democrat Party of Frank Moss’s time. Back then they were still Americans. Now the RATs are openly Communist. BIG difference.
Wake up, brother Peterson.
“feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the sick and administering to their relief, both spiritually and temporally,
These are all Laudable goals.
Unfortunately, The majority of the Democratic party believes that Compulsion is a good way to reach these goals.
Compulsion, or the use of Force and Glory Seeking was Satan’s Plan.
Thats why he was cast out of Heaven.
Freedom of Choice was Christs Plan.
Where there is Compulsion there is No personal growth.
Compulsion also denies the faithful the opportunity to exercise charity.
The exercise of charity can build fellowship between the giver and the receiver.
Compulsion only results in the Self aggrandizement of and Concentration of Power in the Congress person.
This is Not God’s way.
Some things are appropriate for the Federal government to do.
Everything else should be left for the local community.
My father was a steelworker who believed that the Democrats were the party that ended the Depression, won the War, and fought for the rights of working people.The Democrats fiscal policies extended the depression. It's true they hung around until it was over. The American G.I. won the War. The fight for the 'rights of working people' led to the movement of industrial production to other countries and has finally brought about the bankruptcy of the U.S. Auto industry.
At election time each year, a Church statement of political neutrality is read in LDS congregations throughout the nation, which "affirms [the Church's] neutrality regarding political parties, platforms, and candidates." Importantly, it also stresses that, "principles compatible with the gospel may be found in various political parties." Implicit in this statement is the notion that gospel truth may be found in the Democratic party's platform.The authors conclusion is not supported by the LDS Church position. The Church statement says "principles compatible with the gospel may be found in various political parties." It does not say which, if any, political party includes more, most, all gospel principles or which may include more anti-gospel principles. It also does not say whether either parties' plan to implement the gospel principles they espouse is also in line with gospel teachings.
In an interview in 1998, Elder Marlin Jensen, a Mormon Democrat, spoke of the need for political diversity in the Church. Jensen outlined three main concerns Church leaders have with the misconception that the Republican party is the Church party: First, the Church's reputation suffers with the waxing and waning tides of national political fortunes. "There is a feeling that even nationally as a church, it's not in our best interest to be known as a one-party church," stated Jensen.I can agree with these statements. Unfortunately, it's rare to have even one good candidate. And rarer still for them to remain true to basic principles after discovering the Washington Lobby and their Party Leadership.The late Elder James E. Faust, also a Mormon Democrat and a counselor in the First Presidency, reiterated this point: "It is in the interest of the Church to have a two-party system . . . . Both locally and nationally, the interest of the Church and its members are served when we have two good men or women running on each ticket, and then no matter who is elected, we win."[1]
As Elder Jensen put it, "any time you don't have the dialogue and the give-and-take that the democratic process provides you're going to be poorer for it in the long run."I'll agree with this, too. A balance of power slows down the pace of change. We have seen recently the pace of change without sufficient opposition. Unfortunately, the democratic process which once was about discussions on Constitutional principles has become a media campaign promoting the back-room deals of the Party Leadership.
Third, Elder Jensen stressed that it would be "very healthy for the church -- particularly the Utah church" if the common misconception that one cannot be a good Mormon and a Democrat "could be obliterated." Elder Jensen continued, "everyone who is a good Latter-day Saint is going to have to pick and choose a little bit regardless of the party that they're in and that may be required a lot more in the future than it has in the past."[2]I can agree with this too. For this 'healthy outcome' to be realized, the Democrat party will have to abandon some anti-gospel principles and select issues to embrace that are within the bounds of the U.S. Constitution.
Jensen's call for political diversity recognizes an important truth about political parties and public morality -- there are many moral issues and none of the political parties has a monopoly on them. "I am a Democrat," stated Senator Harry Reid, "because I am a Mormon, not in spite of it."True enough. That has nothing to do with Reid's statement.
Like Reid, I believe that the Democratic party takes the strongest position on many moral issues. For example, King Benjamin's address in the Book of Mormon admonishes us to prioritize, "feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the sick and administering to their relief, both spiritually and temporally, according to their wants" (Mosiah 4:26). I believe the Democratic party works harder to protect and defend these moral priorities.Now we get to some meat. King Benjamin, the Savior and other Christian leaders through the ages have decreed that Society has a responsibility to care for the less fortunate. It has never been stated that the State should confiscate from anyone to give to anyone else. This is an individual responsibility with individual accountability to the Savior. It's fine to preach charity and promote charity but when you implement welfare funded by manditory takings it's no longer charity. Not only does this destroy the agency of the 'giver' but it also denies him the blessings a charitable donation would ensue. Rather than producing empathy and love in both the giver and the recipient, you get distrust and resentment. Those are not gospel principles.
Elder Faust stated that his reading of the Book of Mormon also influenced his political views: "I believe what is said in the Book of Mormon, that the Lord values all of his children equally -- black and white, bond and free, male and female, Jew and gentile." As a result, Elder Faust said, "I like to see all people enjoy every advantage, every blessing, every opportunity that comes to them by reason of citizenship."[3]That's all true, too. I believe those who would not want this outcome are very few, in either party.
Furthermore, the LDS scriptures' call to educate ourselves, "to seek ye out of the best books words of wisdom, seek learning even by study and also by faith" (D&C 109:7), is, I believe, more constantly supported by the Democratic agenda.I don't see any connection here.
I also believe LDS scriptures' insistence that the world and all living things were created spiritually prior to their physical creation calls us to environmental stewardship, another moral issue defended more robustly by Democrats.This is another issue that is often confused. Should we be good stewards of environmental resources - of course. We should always be prudent in our actions, consider the consequences, and minimize harmful effects. But that is not what environmental activists desire. They desire turning technological progress back to the pioneer times. They would halt energy and land usage, population growth, and changes in the species inhabiting the earth. These changes, which have been taking place since before Man inhabited the earth, they would stop. Nowhere in the scriptures is there any reference to these natural changes being undesirable. In fact, the earth and everything upon it were given to Man for Man's use.
Finally, I am a Democrat because I believe LDS scripture and prophets have urged us to live within our means, to be fiscally responsible. Democrats believe we need to pay for any programs we create, and Democratic administrations have, since the Great Depression, consistently lowered deficit spending, while the Reagan and two Bush administrations have greatly increased it. Democrats have a strong record of fiscal responsibility.Again, right on the desired outcome, wrong on the blame. I will agree that Reagan used deficit spending on DoD to force the economic collapse of the Soviet Union. And the Bush's spent on the Gulf War, and wars in Iraq and Afganistan. It's also true that all spending originates in the House and for most of that period, it was ruled by Democrats. Both parties have endorsed earmarks for their pet projects. Both parties have written a tax code full of special provisions for their donors. The only combination that made a significant change in the deficit was a Democrat president with a Republican congress. Recent history has demonstrated that turning it all over to Republicans or Democrats is not effective in producing fiscal restraint.
Many Mormon Democrats like me are pro-life, and find no pressure to change that view.Of course not. They will allow you your pro-life position as long as you give them the votes and money to put their pro-abortion leadership in place. Once they have the leadership, they don't need your vote.
I believe Mormon Democrats can make a difference, not only like Reid in Washington, but in their own local party. I have witnessed first-hand how Mormon Democrats in Utah county have worked to make the county platform more in-line with LDS values.And I applaud their efforts. I'm working that same battle within the Republican party. And while the GOP platform is not 100% within gospel teachings, I think I have a head start.
Found this article which is interesting, too:
War in Heaven Today on Latter-Day Conservative.
Those “useful idiot” enablers of DUmocrats who don’t hate the United States are just as guilty of treason as DUH-bama’s closest friends who are openly vocal about it.
I’m sorry, but anybody who tries to make the government do the work of the Lord is NOT doing a good thing.
Democrats don’t espouse christian principles by having the government feed the poor; they interfere with God’s moral training of His people, who are supposed to see need and respond to it.
Democrats don’t want to have to respond to needs, so they want to tax other people and have government do it, so they can pretend they are righteous and exclude the lower class from their parties.
Utah hated the republicans because of Abraham Lincoln...
Let’s see how so called conservative Republican Utah has voted in the last 100 years...
1916 - Woodrow Wilson won in Utah in 1916.. Democrats took the Governorship and the US Senate
1924 - Democrat governor, No Senate race
1928 - Democrat governor, US Senator
Utah elected FDR 4 times...starting in 1932...
1932 - FDR for POTUS, Democrat governor, US Seantors,
1936 - FDR, Democrat governor,
1940 - FDR, Democrat governor, Democrat contol of the Utah legislature
1944 - FDR, Democrat governor, Democrat US Senator, Democrat control of the US Legislature
1948 - Harry Truman was the pick for Utah in 1948... Republican governor but controlling Democrat Legislature...
1956 - In 1956 a Democrat named Romney ran for governor...
1960 - Nixon just snuck past Democrat Kennedy for POTUS in Utah, Democrats continued their control of the Utah Legislature
1964 - Utah went with Johnson in 1964..Democrats won governor, US Senate
1968 - Democrat governor
1972 - Democrat governor
1976 - Carter had a good showing in 1976 but it was about
182,000 to Ford;s 336,000 votes.. Democrat governor,
!978 - Jimmy Earl Carter urges the Morg to change from their racist ways... Bad Karma..
1980 - Utah mormons thrashed those apostate Democrats
1980 - Big comeout for Republicans Reagan 440,000 votes to Carter’s 125,000 votes, EReagon won all 29 counties..Democrat governor but not by much, ..In the US Senaste the Republican won 438,000 votes to 150,000, Utah Legislature Republicans got 57 seats to 18 seats for the Democrats..
1984 - Utah mormons still holding a grudge against Democrats...
1984 - Reagan 470,000 to 155,000 for Democrat Mondale... Republican governor, Utah Legislature Republicans 61 seats Democrats 16 seats...State Senate 23 to 6...
1988 - Republican Bush 429,000 to 208,000 votes, Democrats shut out of everything
1992 - Clinton won the nation but not in Utah...only 25%.. the pther races were a turn around for the Democrats...
Since then both parties have been in and out...
Not because the Democrats have been forgiven...
But becaise more nonmormons who vote independant of a controlling religious institution have moved into Utah
My grandmother was born into a Mormon family, though she later left the church, and was a Roosevelt Democrat until her last breath.