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To: Rebel_Ace
“Nope, Hydrologic sorting won't cut it.” [excerpt]
No, hydrologic sorting as defined by Rebel_Ace won't cut it.

Of course, its been my experience that Evolutionists will redefine into impossibility anything they disagree with.

“In the "miraculous" global flood, WATER WAS EVERYWHERE. There was no place for it to RUSH TO.” [excerpt]
Are you denying the existence of ocean currents?

And you appear to be forgetting, those floodwaters receded when the mountains rose up. (thats someplace to rush from/to)

“And that is an actual argument, with actual points to discuss, without name calling.” [excerpt]
Excellent!

And now for your next trick, do a repeatable demonstration of your points ;-)

All of them.
339 posted on 09/04/2009 11:09:25 PM PDT by Fichori (Make a liberal cry.... Donate -> https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/ <-)
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To: Fichori
Are you denying the existence of ocean currents?

To have ocean currents of your magnitute would have heated up the oceans to temperatures that would have killed every living thing on the ark.

342 posted on 09/04/2009 11:15:57 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: Fichori; Rebel_Ace; GodGunsGuts

Well, he also forgot that the sky opened up, and the oceans of the deep, in the flood narrative. So there were catastrophic rainstorms, which would provide rushing water, along with large amounts of water coming from an unspecified number of openings in the earth’s crust.

And of course, the very miraculous act of “raising up the mountains” performed by God after the flood would itself have greatly changed the landscape.

Again, the problem is that science has to presume that NONE of these things happened, because by it’s nature it deals with observable, natural events. So even if a scientist KNEW that God raised a mountain up out of the ground, there would be no scientific theory that could take that into account.

On the day God created Adam, if a scientist walked by just after God left, the scientist would argue that Adam had been there for 20 years, and that the garden must have existed for decades before that, since there was a stream bed, full-grown trees with fruit on them, and fully grown animals of every species.

If the scientist came back a little later, and saw Eve, the scientist would argue that there were other humans elsewhere, that Eve must have made some journey from a distance, and that, since people have to be born from others, that there must be generations of humans that existed before Adam and Eve.

There would be no arguing with this Scientist, and if Adam truthfully told him that God had just created Eve by taking out Adam’s rib, the scientist would call him an ignorant Cretin, and note that there were no medical facilities, no scar, and no way a living woman would come into being from a bone of a man, since the chromosones would be all wrong.

Science is incapable of telling the truth about a miraculous God, because that is the NATURE OF SCIENCE.

But in the past century, the humanists have worked hard to raise generations of children who have no idea that Science is biased against God, and instead believe that, if Science hasn’t proven God exists, it’s because God must not exist.

That is what we fight here.


376 posted on 09/05/2009 7:26:55 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Fichori
"...And now for your next trick, do a repeatable demonstration of your points ;-)..."

You have suggested that Hydrologic sorting is responsible for the evidence all over the world that fossils are organized into strata by species boundaries. You make this claim to explain away the lack of finding "anachronistic" fossils co-mingled all over the place, as would be the case if all species were present on the Earth at the same time.

I explained that the forces involved with the settling of objects suspended in media work the same on objects of the same size and mass (size and mass together give density). For an example, let's take a rabbit skull, and a baby velociraptor skull, each of similar size and mass.

Since you are offering this as an explanation, it is incumbent upon you to demonstrate the following two points:

(1) How is it possible for these blind hydrostatic forces to distinguish between, say rabbit skulls and velocirapter skulls, and ALWAYS sort them so that the velociraptor skulls end up below the rabbit skulls? How is it able to do this flawlessly for the 1000's of species found?

(2) Explain how these forces were in play EVERYWHERE on the Earth, so that ALL the Earth's fossils get sorted, not just places where EXCEPTIONAL conditions prevailed.

"...And you appear to be forgetting, those floodwaters receded when the mountains rose up. (thats someplace to rush from/to)..."

Here is your chance to play God. Get a child's plastic pool, the 1 foot deep and 4 foot diameter kind. Make sure it is the kind with a drain plug.

Using clay, dirt, rocks, sand and other earthy materials, create a landscape in the pool. Don't make the features taller than the sides of the pool, or you won't be able to cover them in water.

Fill the pool with water, to cover the features. For added effect, float a toy boat if you like.

Once full, wait a bit, then pull the plug.

Watch the "rushing"! Observe how the water will gently recede from the "landscape" you created in the pool.

Now, in order to create "rushing" waters from the floodwaters receding, you will have to "magically" remove about half the water FROM ONE SIDE OF THE POOL ONLY, so that the water piled higher on the other side HAS SOME PLACE TO RUSH TO. You can of course claim that God simply removed half the water, so that the rest would rush around, but that is not science, that is magic.
379 posted on 09/05/2009 7:38:52 AM PDT by Rebel_Ace (Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
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