Mercury’s Magnetic Field is Young!

CMI ^ | Russell Humphreys, Ph.D.

[tpanther]

Writing isn’t your strong suit, but then again pink unicorns are your only area of expertise, after all.

[HereInTheHeartland]

“The one who didn’t get tenure was Guillermo Gonzalez. His publication rate had sharply declined since joining ISU, he wasn’t mentoring his grad students well enough to complete their programs, and he was bringing in relatively very little money in research grants.”

I would like to see proof of this. From what I heard; his work was very good.
I tried to follow this very closely, as my alma matter is the one who denied him tenure.
All of the anti-Christian machinery at Iowa State was after him.

He kept his ID work out of the classroom. But he was well known for it, due to a well known video he produced.
So the hate God crowd put a target on his back.

[antiRepublicrat]

I would like to see proof of this. From what I heard; his work was very good.

His work was very good before he went to ISU.

That drop towards the time he was going for tenure is not a good sign. A university looks at your contributions there for a sign of future contributions, and he looked like he'd eventually stop publishing if granted tenure.

Another problem is the claim of 91% of tenures getting approved at ISU. True, but in his department the tenure rate was only 66%. Given his record, it's easy to see how he would get passed over for tenure in favor of others.

He kept his ID work out of the classroom.

And he wasn't denied tenure for that. But if you'll notice the chart, it looks like he started putting all of his work into the book instead of scientific publications that could get him tenure. He wasn't even first author on anything for three straight years.

I have heard a lot of complaints about the tenure system in general, how it concentrates too much on publication and doesn't necessarily look at the whole individual. Those are valid complaints. But the fact is that he knew the criteria and didn't fulfill them. He was even warned about his lack of research grants. Universities to a moderate extent operate off the money from such grants, so they push professors to pull in as much as possible. He was far below the average. Not good for tenure either.

In this whole picture I can't see anything but a whiner who couldn't cut it so he pulled the ID card. IMHO such people are just as slimy as those who pull the race card.

[antiRepublicrat]

o if the brain damage is such that it puts the victim mentally on-par with a cabbage, he will then be (like you) an atheist.

Do you have any concept of the logical syllogism? Apparently not.

[antiRepublicrat]

You will notice that the vote about ID occurred on Oct 18, 2004 and DI stepped away from the vote when asked on Nov 12, 2004.

There you go. The DI was involved in the beginning by your own admission. They stepped out when they realized the defense had screwed up, and they didn't want to be part of a losing test case. The DI was smart, and right. The defense having established their religious motives beforehand lost them the case.

I told you that NCSE was triggered on the Dover situation in Jun.

Because that's about when the DI was in talks with the board over "teach the controversy." Yes, that is a program of the DI. The DI has been doing this exact same thing in many states. In fact, losing the Dover case essentially killed another growing "teach the controversy" effort in, IIRC, Iowa. Do you know what "teach the controversy" is? It is exactly what the Dover board did, try to tell students that there is a real scientific controversy. This is the foot in the door, the Wedge, for ID and then creationism.

When was phase three supposed to occur?

You've supposedly read the document.

And read the story of how the Wedge Document became public Here.

[ColdWater]

It is bearing fasle witness to pretend to be conservative and espouse liberal positions.

You know what you are doing and God is the judge. If you can live with you lies, you will die and be judged by your lies. That is between you and God.

[antiRepublicrat]

But this is from Washington(I was wrong about the state it is D.C.)...."Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington", which is the publication Sternberg edited, belonging to the other entity I mentioned.

That journal is published out of the Smithsonian.

First, you say Sternberg got what he deserved.

As far as the negative publicity for him. Otherwise, nothing was done to him for his beliefs, or even for his actual transgressions of procedure that should have gotten him kicked out regardless of beliefs. Quite the opposite, they specifically stated his beliefs and his ID work outside the Smithsonian were off the table in any discussion about him.

I'm still convinced that the pulling of the race card was successful; otherwise, he would have been kicked out. Either that or we need to hire some new managers at the Smithsonian, because the current ones are allowing the mistreatment of our national treasures without repercussions for those who do it.

[GourmetDan]

"You simply preach to the converted, ignore or toss off legitimate points of contention with grade school "comebacks", all the while each and every one of these threads "devolves" into tit for tat name calling."

The only substantive claim in your post is that 'legitimate points of contention' are ignored. Let's see if that single, solitary, substantive claim is accurate.

What 'legitimate points of contention' do you refer to?

[GodGunsGuts]

As is the case with so many other evo-atheists (and fellow travelers), Rebel_Ace came to this thread to insult Creationists and IDers in the name of practicing civility towards his Temple of Darwin co-religionists.

[tpanther]

Your participation in the sir-project-alot sweepstakes is once again duly noted.

[ColdWater]

Your participation in the sir-project-alot sweepstakes is once again duly noted.

[ColdWater]

As is the case with so many other evo-atheists (and fellow travelers), Rebel_Ace came to this thread to insult Creationists and IDers in the name of practicing civility towards his Temple of Darwin co-religionists.

I still don't understand how Creationists ally with the evolutionarist, old earth ID'ers.

[AndrewC]

There you go. The DI was involved in the beginning by your own admission.

Are you also blind? I made no such admission. I displayed the timeline. NCSE was involved in the situation beginning in June. The vote occurred in Oct and DI was asked for an opinion by a news reporter. They replied in the negative. That sure is no admission of DI's involvement with Dover at that time. They were asked after the December suit to testify but eventually said no to the request. Had they been involved they could have been subpoenaed. They were not.

Because that's about when the DI was in talks with the board over "teach the controversy."

Prove it.

You've supposedly read the document.

I have. That is the reason I asked you the question that you haven't answered. So answer it. Or continue to demonstrate your disingenuousness.

And read the story of how the Wedge Document became public Here.

Okay, so the news reporter posted a story alleging something. Where is the proof? I have posted a link to the Wedge Document which shows not markings on it. Where is the one marked "TOP SECRET". You won't find it because the story is a pitiful example of an attempt at sliming a group. "TOP SECRET", YGTBSM as we used to say in the Air Force.

[ex-Texan]

GGG - Look what I found on the web by pure chance:

Perhaps my private thoughts were not so much out of line after all. I found this image on a well known prophesy site yesterday. The owner was a guest on Coast to Coast. Seems the image plays out in certain end times scenarios that are way over my head. But you get my drift.

This NWO eagle has two well-known wings and both beat violently . . .

[Quix]

INDEED.

THX FOR REMINDING ME.

I need to try and transcribe some of last night’s C2C for the UFO/END TIMES ping lists.

[AndrewC]

That journal is published out of the Smithsonian.

Again, you have an opportunity to support your contentions. I don't see the publication listed here.....

PUBLICATIONS

Otherwise, nothing was done to him for his beliefs, or even for his actual transgressions of procedure that should have gotten him kicked out regardless of beliefs.

Again, he was "kicked out". It was spun, as you are attempting to do. But the fact that NCSE was intimately involved is a smoking gun. The email traffic proves that. NCSE has ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to contact any supervisory personnel of the Smithsonian.

[Agamemnon]

Ouch! If the goat fits...

Busted again.

[antiRepublicrat]

NCSE was involved in the situation beginning in June.

About the same time DI was involved.

They were asked after the December suit to testify but eventually said no to the request.

Notice it was a withdrawal of defense witnesses whose depositions had been long before been scheduled. The DI had been involved, and then pulled out.

Prove it.

In his deposition, Buckingham said he was contacted by the DI way back when the debate over the textbook was going on. If I have my timeline correctly, that was Summer. He says the DI even sent him some materials.

But then maybe you got me, maybe Buckingham was lying. After all, he lied under oath on the witness stand.

Where is the proof?

So your references represent proof, yet mine don't? If you want to contest what was in the article, feel free to contact Matt Duss, the person who discovered it.

[antiRepublicrat]

Again, you have an opportunity to support your contentions. I don't see the publication listed here..

Most times I see it referenced, it's "Biological Society of Washington, Smithsonian Institution." I could be wrong. In any case, what does this have to do with anything? What he did showed him to be an irresponsible scientist.

Again, he was "kicked out".

Um, no. His status as Associate wasn't renewed (remember, his sponsor was dead so he wasn't there to renew Sternberg anymore), but he was continued as a Collaborator despite his violations of policy and mistreatment of artifacts. As a Collaborator, he still has an office and access to what he needs, he just doesn't work as closely with SI personnel. This is a normal occurrence.

NCSE has ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to contact any supervisory personnel of the Smithsonian.

You get to have your position at the SI by virtue of being a scientist in good standing. Misconduct brings disrepute upon the entire SI. Thus engineering the publication of an inferior-grade paper for a friend was of interest to the SI staff. Too bad you don't think they should have been contacted, because the NCSE is the one that said to leave his personal beliefs and creationist work out of it, warning them to make decisions solely based on his scientific work.

[M. Espinola]