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To: Seizethecarp

I disagree with him. With the facts as we know them at this time..it is likely he was not a UK citizen.

There was a law that legitimized illegitimate births if there was a subsequent valid marriage. There are problems with this in a number of ways.

What you are saying is basically...hey, I was not in reality a UK citizen...but I thought I was...so I shouldn’t be a natural born citizen. Do you really believe a court would throw out a sitting President born on US soil to a US citizen... on that basis alone.

This argument is far different than Donofrio claiming Obama, was in fact, a UK citizen. It appears to me that is what he is claiming. Thinking you are a UK citizen is far different than actually being a UK citizen.

UK citizenship law does not grant citizenship just because you think you are a UK citizen. If you read the link in my profile, there is some talk about how they dealt with certain registrations of void marriages..but you have to go actually look at the law they reference. Furthermore, there is no indication that anyone applied to register Obama as a UK citizen.

There are some details in the law as it pertains to assets..but those laws are for when parent is domiciled in the UK.(if my memory is correct) and other specific requirements.

UK citizenship law is quite complex. they had to take into account such a variety of factors that we in the US did not have to consider.

Did Obama ever have a British Passport..because if so...that kicks up other issues as to how he obtained it.


673 posted on 09/01/2009 6:47:53 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
Great links on your profile!

I agree with you that it is unlikely that Obama would have been recognized at birth as a UK citizen due to lack of a documented marriage of his parents, so far. The claim of marriage in Stanley's divorce filing is hearsay.

Obama II would never be removed as POTUS without finding the marriage license or other contemporaneous documentation of the marriage. I don't think Stanley Ann's hearsay claim of marriage in her divorce filing (that Obama Sr never contested) would be sufficient grounds to somehow declare Obama II to be a non-NBC and removed from office, as Donofrio imagines.

Even if documents are found to substantiate the hearsay Maui marriage, the bigamy issue regarding Obama Sr's 1956 marriage to Ketzia would have to be legally assessed.

Whether an unmarried US citizen mother's baby can be NBC under the constitution (even if the natural father is a non-US citizen) could likely only be decided by SCOTUS.

Perhaps that is why Fukino declared Obama II an NBC knowing there was no legal marriage of the parents on record in HI. She might have been advised to conclude that even if Obama Sr was on the BC as the father, with no marriage license of record, there was no dual citizenship issue. Fukino has the marriage vital records as well as the BC records in the same department, I would think.

Perhaps only if Stanley Ann and Barack Sr were married in Kenya in some manner that conferred British citizenship to their children, perhaps in a legal polygamous tribal marriage and then Stanley Ann returned to the USA and gave birth to Obama, then Obama II might be removed for not being an NBC due to dual citizenship. (My brain hurts). It seems to me the only hope for a clear declaration of non-NBC status that US citizens would understand and support and the only realistic political threat to Obama II is validation of a non-US BC such as either of the complimentary Orly and Lucas BC's.

674 posted on 09/01/2009 10:13:12 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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