Posted on 08/28/2009 8:25:45 AM PDT by IbJensen
s President Obama continues to push for Obamacare under the guise that it’s a “necessary” reform, and the spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) talks about getting it passed “by any legislative means necessary,” one question remains unanswered: If Obamacare’s so great, why do Democrats have to lie about it?
Time and again when congressional town hall meetings have erupted in protests against universal health care, Obama has offered up press releases assuring the public that Obamacare is not about universal health care. He’s even gone as far as to say he doesn’t support universal health care, otherwise known as “a single payer system.” But this just isn’t true. In 2003, when Obama spoke to the “AFL-CIO Civil, Human, and Women’s Rights Conference,” he said: “I happen to be a proponent of a single payer, universal healthcare plan…[where] everybody is in, nobody is out.”
Moreover, he derided America for being “the wealthiest country in the history of the world [and] spending 14% of its Gross National Product [on healthcare]” without providing “basic health insurance to everybody.” Click Here!
And Obama’s admission of his desire for a single payer system in 2003 is not an isolated one. In May 2007, as Democrat contenders were starting to try to distance themselves from others in the primary crowd, The New Yorker reported that Obama admitted that if he could start “from scratch,” and have it his way, “‘then a single-payer system' -- a government-managed system like Canada's, which disconnects health insurance from employment -- ‘would probably make sense.’” New Hampshire’s Concord Monitor reported similar statements from Obama in August 2007.
We’ve seen Obama use this tactic again and again with his mantra about how those of us who are happy with our private insurance will be able to keep it under Obamacare. Yet even a glancing look at the current health care proposal reveals that Obama’s pledge is only true so long as your insurer doesn’t make “any change to the terms, conditions, or benefits (like co-pays or deductibles) of your policy.” In the event that even a co-pay changes, your policy “is no longer qualified and you will be forced to move to a ‘qualified plan,’” i.e., the universal, government-run, “one size fits all” plan.
Yet in spite of all these misrepresentations on Obama’s part, when the public rejects a “government takeover” of the 1/6 of our economy that health care represents, the president takes the position that conservative talk radio or fringe groups on the right are distorting his plan in order to defeat it -- all the while it’s Obama who’s purposely distorting the truth behind this “needed reform.”
Of course, Obama isn’t the only Democrat hiding the truth about Obamacare. Democrats as a whole have done their best to assure the public that “there is no ‘government takeover’ in any part of any plan supported by the President or Congress,” just as they spent months denying the existence of “death panels” in the health care overhaul.
And there are no “death panels” per se: just rationing of health care based on age, cost and life expectancy. The Democrats have spent a big chunk of the summer setting up strawmen like the phony “death panels” issue, in order to defeat them and distract people from the huge and all-too-real reasons to fear health care nationalization.
But guess what? When opposition at congressional town hall meetings continued to mount, reports surfaced on August 14 that the “Senate Finance Committee decided to remove the so-called ‘death panel’ provision from its version of Obama-Care legislation.”
This whole deal is a sham, folks. Although it’s touted as “necessary,” the only people for whom it is necessary are the liberal politicians positioned to profit from the additional power it will give them. Yet they face a dilemma because “we the people” have taken the time to read through the bill, and have seen with our own eyes that the goal behind Obamacare is a universal, “single payer system.”
Therefore, while Majority Leader Reid may find the wherewithal to use “any legislative means necessary” to pass this mess, I wonder if he’ll also find conscience enough to be honest about the details contained in the bill before doing so?
No chance. Like the other Dems, he wants to pass it, not read it.
“The public cannot be too curious concerning the characters of public men.”
~ Samuel Adams
The reason ALL Demoncrats must lie is because no rational person would support them. That squishy “Independent” group needs the lies to justify voting for them and supporting them.
We need to sort the Congress out and brand the left-wing zombies so we can tell them apart.
Better question: Why are 0dumbo and congress exempting themselves from it?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2321862/posts?page=1
How Many Members Of The U.S. CongressAre Self-Declared Socialists?
http://pdamerica.org/about/board.php
In the United States House of Representatives, these people all belong to the Congressional Progressive Caucus, established in the early 1990’s. The members of the Progressive Caucus also belong to the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), a confederation of socialists formed in 1983 when a splinter group of the Socialist Party (Michael Harrington’s Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee, DSOC) merged with the Students for a Democratic Society’s (SDS) splinter group, the New American Movement (NAM).
The main aim of DSA was to convert the Democratic Party into a social democratic organization. to that end, during the early 1990’s, the DSA hosted the Progressive Caucus’ website, which contained the names of its members. When the word got out, all the information regarding the Progressive Caucus vanished. These congress critters don’t want you to know their true colors (red).
The DSA has many celebrity members, including feminist Gloria Steinem, actor Ed Asner, black activist Cornel West, and libertarian socialist Noam Chomsky. It is also the chief American member group of the Socialist International, which includes the British Labour Party and the French Parti Socialiste.
Officers
Barbara Lee (California), Co-Chair
Lynn Woolsey (California), Co-Chair
Directors
Bill Goold, Executive Director
Current members
Neil Abercrombie (Hawaii)
Tammy Baldwin (Wisconsin)
Xavier Becerra (California)
Madeleine Bordallo (Guam)
Bob Brady (Pennsylvania)
Corrine Brown (Florida)
Mike Capuano (Massachusetts)
Julia Carson (Indiana)
Donna Christian-Christensen (Virgin Islands)
Yvette Clarke (New York)
William Lacy Clay, Jr. (Missouri)
Emanuel Cleaver (Missouri)
Steve Cohen (Tennessee)
John Conyers (Michigan) - chairman, House Judiciary Committee
Elijah Cummings (Maryland)
Danny Davis (Illinois)
Peter DeFazio (Oregon)
Rosa DeLauro (Connecticut)
Keith Ellison (Minnesota)
Eni Faleomavaega (American Samoa)
Sam Farr (California)
Chaka Fattah (Pennsylvania)
Bob Filner (California) - chairman, House Veterans Affairs Committee
Barney Frank (Massachusetts) - chairman, House Financial Services Committee
Raul Grijalva (Arizona)
Luis Gutierrez (Illinois)
John Hall (New York)
Phil Hare (Illinois)
Maurice Hinchey (New York)
Mazie Hirono (Hawaii)
Jesse Jackson, Jr. (Illinois)
Sheila Jackson-Lee (Texas)
Eddie Bernice Johnson (Texas)
Hank Johnson (Georgia)
Stephanie Tubbs Jones (Ohio) - chairwoman, House Ethics Committee
Marcy Kaptur (Ohio)
Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (Michigan)
Dennis Kucinich (Ohio) - candidate for President of the United States
Tom Lantos (California) - chairman, House Foreign Affairs Committee
Barbara Lee (California) - Co-Chair
John Lewis (Georgia)
Dave Loebsack (Iowa)
Carolyn Maloney (New York)
Ed Markey (Massachusetts)
Jim McDermott (Washington)
Jim McGovern (Massachusetts)
George Miller (California) - chairman, House Education and Labor Committee
Gwen Moore (Wisconsin)
Jerry Nadler (New York)
Eleanor Holmes Norton (District of Columbia)
John Olver (Massachusetts)
Ed Pastor (Arizona)
Donald M. Payne (New Jersey)
Charles Rangel (New York) - chairman, House Ways and Means Committee
Bobby Rush (Illinois)
Jan Schakowsky (Illinois)
Jose Serrano (New York)
Louise Slaughter (New York)
Hilda Solis (California)
Pete Stark (California)
Bennie Thompson (Mississippi) - chairman, House Homeland Security Committee
John Tierney (Massachusetts)
Tom Udall (New Mexico)
Nydia Velazquez (New York) - chairwoman, House Small Business Committee
Maxine Waters (California)
Diane Watson (California)
Mel Watt (North Carolina)
Henry Waxman (California) - chairman, House Oversight and Government Reform Committee
Peter Welch (Vermont)
Lynn Woolsey (California) - Co-Chair
Senate member
Bernie Sanders (Vermont)
Former members
Sherrod Brown (Ohio) - elected to Senate
Lane Evans (Illinois) - retired from Congress
Cynthia McKinney (Georgia) - lost Congressional seat
Major Owens (New York) - retired from Congress
Nancy Pelosi (California) - left caucus when elected House Minority Leader
Supporting organizations
Institute for Policy Studies
The Nation Magazine
Moveon.org
National Priorities Project
Jobs with Justice Campaign
Peace Action
Americans for Democratic Action
Progressive Democrats of America
Co-sponsoring the kickoff event
NAACP
ACLU
Progressive Majority
League of United Latin American Citizens
Rainbow/Push Coalition
National Council of La Raza
Hip Hop Caucus
Human Rights Campaign
Association of Farmworker Opportunity Programs
National Hip Hop Political Convention
“Better question: Why are 0dumbo and congress exempting themselves from it?”
Exactly!
They could ease a lot of fears, and make a lot of headway if they would just sign themselves up for this plan.
Good enough for thee, but not for me.
Friggin’ elitist scum.
They have to lie about Obamacare because there is nothing in Obamacare that does any good and they know it.
This article is accurate except this small point above. Death panels came from republicans (Palin Twitter repeated over and over) just as Steele is now vowing to protect Medicare from cuts. Not sure why authors would blame democrats. I think maybe democrats hoped this would be the “Lipstick on a pig” comment that started McCain's decline in polls after the media beat it to death by casting doubt on all McCain's claims. (Yes, Death panels could backfire, but have not yet.)
Good list of people that need to go.
This is very much like when primitive peoples used to leave their old and infirm on the side of the trail to die alone.
I guess 0bama did get a few pointers from his tribe in kenya.
It's stated in a crude way that even the dumbest Senior can understand. It's the government determining when your life is not worth living and how mush money the government is willing to throw your way to keep you alive. With carefully created - SCARCE RESOURCES - which is what government care is all about, there needs to be a cutoff for people. Through government care, you will be just a budget item.
Technically liberals can argue that the public plan bill has no death panels in it, nor is it single payer. Now we can argue validly that the public plan, as proposed, will lead to single payer, and we know the democrat proponents for the public plan are for single payer.
Death panels is still a huge stretch, it's like when Michael Moores Sicko claims insurance companies kill people. Cutting Medicare should NOT be equated with killing people. This is dangerous short term strategy,
“Technically liberals can argue that the public plan bill has no death panels in it, nor is it single payer. Now we can argue validly that the public plan, as proposed, will lead to single payer, and we know the democrat proponents for the public plan are for single payer.”
Nope. They can’t argue the Obama doesn’t want single payer government care. Obama campaigned on it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDAPLb-HVcM
In his own wrods, Obama admits, single payer health care will eliminate private care. This is his goal!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
“Death panels is still a huge stretch, it’s like when Michael Moores Sicko claims insurance companies kill people. Cutting Medicare should NOT be equated with killing people. This is dangerous short term strategy,”
No, there is no “stretch” going on here.
You need to read this:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204683204574358590107981718.html
Only in America can rats like these hold a good paying job with beaucoup benefits the like of which few of us will ever see!
I said
“ Now we can argue validly that the public plan, as proposed, will lead to single payer, and we know the democrat proponents for the public plan are for single payer.”
You replied :
“Nope. They can’t argue the Obama doesn’t want single payer government care. Obama campaigned on it!”
“I said
“ Now we can argue validly that the public plan, as proposed, will lead to single payer, and we know the democrat proponents for the public plan are for single payer.”
It is not a matter of IF it will lead to s single payer plan. The REALITY is, it will.
Again, Obama CAMPAIGNED on a SINGLE PAYER PLAN by the government. Obama proposed that during the election! Where have you been? It’s not a question of “validity”. It is common sense that eventually it will be a the single payer plan Obama WANTS and CAMPAIGNED on.
You and other Demoncrats cannot argue with any credibility that Obama did not campaign on a single payer plan, the government, or that this is the logical conclusion of his health care plan. Obama ADMITS his single payer plan will ELIMINATE private health care and that is his goal. He STATES a single payer plan through government is his goal. Again, Obama campaigned on it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDAPLb-HVcM
In his own wrods, Obama admits, single payer health care will eliminate private care. This is his goal!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
“Death panels is still a huge stretch, it’s like when Michael Moores Sicko claims insurance companies kill people. Cutting Medicare should NOT be equated with killing people. This is dangerous short term strategy,”
No, there is no “stretch” going on here.
You need to read this:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204683204574358590107981718.html
I really don’t understand you .... It is CLEAR in the videoa and even if it wasn’t, common sense should kick in at some point.
Obama did not campaign on a single payer last Fall, last fall he promised universal coverage but didnt give the details. Now he is telling democrats and us that public plan is universal.
This is the third time I posted this so please get someone to read it to you:“and we know the democrat proponents for the public plan are for single payer.”
Look, the idea that cutting medicare funds will kill old people is a SOCIALIST idea, and socialism is near communism, I wont support it no matter what you say. Especialy when that thinking is destroying our country.
“Look, the idea that cutting medicare funds will kill old people is a SOCIALIST idea, and socialism is near communism, I wont support it no matter what you say. Especialy when that thinking is destroying our country.”
I think you confused me with someone else.
I am AGAINST Obama care.
Obama is hell bent on destroying our country and I am against that too!
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