When America Will Become Europe. Thoughts of Our European Future to Come [Victor Davis Hanson]

pajamasmedia.com ^ | August 12, 2009 | Victor Davis Hanson

[Tolik]

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[Sender]

Bump for a great article.

[GonzoGOP]

"When will America become Europe"

If by that you mean western Europe the answer is never. More likely the US will become the USSR or Yugoslavia. At some point the tax paying states will break away from New York, California, Michigan and the rest. It will be an ugly and ultimately self destructive conflict. France, Germany, Italy and Britain went out quietly with a whimper. If Obama, Pelosi and Reid are not stopped the US will go out with a bang.

[screaminsunshine]

Actually Obama will head us to the Cuban model rather than the European model. Some companies in Europe are still allowed to earn profits.

[Commander X]

This is a great article. Thanks for posting. I have read much lately about the socialist paradise called Denmark. I certainly would not want to live there. The articles I have read indicate the poplualtion there has been reduced to trolls whose only survival is on the government teat. All groupthink all the time. No thanks....

[Biggirl]

This is what I have been saying, the USA is due for a second civil war.

[madprof98]

Recently spent time in Greece and Italy as well. The observations here show real insight.

[Tolik]

Guys, I appreciate hyperbole as well, but you are overreaching. Ask anybody from the Eastern Europe, former USSR - we are not becoming them - it took bloody revolutions and wars to get there. If townhalls now are any indication for anything - its that Americans won’t let it happen. What can happen is a quiet slide into a welfare nanny state of European type - and it’s bad enough. And this danger is real. Claiming that USSR is just around the corner for us - is the best way to get ridiculed and rightfully so. And I lived there, I know.

[Ulysse]

Only one point to add.
Delusional and cynical europeans have few kids with no legacy to be proud of but a legacy of SHAME for the “western” “white” “judeo-christian” civilization” meanwhile the big arab-african(above all muslims),legals and illegals,are growing much more quickly AND DON’T SHARE our fading away values.
They are weighing heavily on our Nationals(socialized)Health Care and Social Security systems...

They are used by political croocks who give them benefits,amnesty and so on as a deal to gain votes.
They are used by multiculturalist ideologs to undermine the judeo-christian legacy.
They are used by cynical businessmen as low wage workers lowering the average incomes

[LearsFool]

Another excellent commentary by Hanson. Thanks to perceptive folks like him, at least we know what we have to look forward to.

[GonzoGOP]

Actually i will argue that point. In Europe the tax consumers (moochers and looters) were mixed in with the tax payers (producers). They shared a common culture and were largely unarmed. There was no way for the tax payers to free themselves from the tax consumers. Most importantly flyover country no longer holds a common culture with the coasts. There are now two different Americas, and neither wants to become part of the other. Any time in history when the people of a nation start thinking in terms of US and THEM it will ultimately lead to US or THEM. Especially during times of economic collapse.

In the US the tax consumers are clustered in cities along the coast and the great lakes. The tax producers are in the countryside. There are entire states out west that have oil or other natural resources that can take care of themselves quite nicely, without the need to deal with the Eastern liberals or west coast loonies. They will try, either through 10th amendment measures or less likely outright secession, to break free of Washington.

But Washington can't let them go. Their entire world is held together by taking from the producers and giving to the consumers in exchange for their votes. If the producers refuse to be victims then the moochers and looters can't pay the bribes that keep them in power. They will have to fight.

If we are lucky the disaster of Obama will convince everyone to take a step back from the socialist experiment. But if they keep pushing the way they are then a breakup is all but inevitable.

[rockrr]

VDH needs to publish this under a leftist sounding pseudonym at solon.com or the new republic. The left would never read it if they knew it was him, but every stinking one of them needs to see what they are trying to impose on us.

He said it early on in his narrative but it needs to be re-stated: in neo-eu there are only two classes - the haves and the have-nots. There is little chance of crossing the line. And the only practical way to transition is to cheat. Playing by the rules relegates you to the back of the bus.

Come to think of it - perhaps that is why the left seeks socialism. Why shouldn't people of no ambition seek a society where the only thing asked of you is that you stand in line (actually they will ask a great many things of you but it starts and ends with endless lines).

Couple that with their "misery loves company" insistence that everybody needs to feeeeeeeel the pain, and I begin to understand why they are pushing so hard to ram this through..

[headstamp 2]

I used to watch the show “COPS”. They had one in Russia. What was amazing was the almost universal melancholy the people seemed to have. Many of them were usually sh**faced on Vodka to drown their sorrows.

I can see what Hanson is talking about here. Socialist systems kill the human spirit and breed contempt.

[SMARTY]

Obama’s plan for America’s future, whatever his motivation or degree of success (and his lack of success is producing the identical result) will guarantee social instability into perpetuity. It’s a no win scenario for all concerned.

The ‘unifier’, by virtue of his brow beating tactics, if nothing else, will succeed in institutionalizing polarity in American society and politics.

A hard line now exists where in the past, actual hope for a more seamless society was possible. It will take literally decades to return America to our Pre-Obama social equilibrium, (if that is even possible) so much has he played the class/race card to exploit the remaining social problems in the U.S.

The pretension, spite and gratuitous insolence of deliberately ignoring or diminishing the colossal gains of minorities in America is THE fundamental and fatal shortcoming in Obama’s character. How can a man, himself the product of all and every largesse America promises to minorities, seek and obtain the Presidency of this country while accusing Americans of ‘bias’ ‘exploitation’ and ‘oppression’?

Will America EVER recover?

[screaminsunshine]

Wrong. Obama and Company are trying to build a totalitarian Police State. They see the Constitution as an obsicle to be circunvented and overcome. They hate everything about free enterprise and capitalism. We have to turn up the heat.

[screaminsunshine]

I call them taxtakers and Taxpayers. The MSM portrays the taxtakers as heros and the Taxpayers as evil Capitalists. I absolutely hate being reffered to as a “Taxpayer” and being fed the propaganda that the Socialist politicians are watching out for me and my money. Nothing could be further from the truth.

[Just mythoughts]

I am going to have to refresh my mind on how the ‘French Revolution’ worked out for Europe. Because it sure appears like some of our liberals and high minded moderates are attempting an reenactment of certain characters of that time.

[FreedomPoster]

With this and the Oceania article, VDH is really on a roll this week.