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1 posted on 08/10/2009 4:12:11 PM PDT by FrdmLvr
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NY Times — enough said.


2 posted on 08/10/2009 4:13:55 PM PDT by cranked
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Exposes Obamacare!

4 posted on 08/10/2009 4:16:29 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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You can’t put a price on a human life.


5 posted on 08/10/2009 4:16:54 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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You first.


9 posted on 08/10/2009 4:23:24 PM PDT by pabianice
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"You have advanced kidney cancer. It will kill you, probably in the next year or two. A drug called Sutent slows the spread of the cancer and may give you an extra six months, but at a cost of $54,000. Is a few more months worth that much? "

How about this version.

Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi age 69 has advanced kidney cancer.It will kill her, probably in the next year or two. A drug called Sutent slows the spread of the cancer and may give her an extra six months, but at a cost of $54,000. Is a few more months worth that much to YOU? Is it worth that much TO HER??
11 posted on 08/10/2009 4:30:36 PM PDT by silverleaf (If you can't be a good example, at least don't be a horrible lesson)
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seems to me he just made the case...for non rationed health care.
16 posted on 08/10/2009 4:59:58 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama's Plan B - Payday Loans)
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The question is WHO will make the decisions to treat or not treat. Will the decision be made by the patient, patient’s family and personal physician or will a government doctor or bureaucratic board make that determination with no appeal or recourse.


17 posted on 08/10/2009 5:00:30 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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President Obama urged them to avoid using the term, apparently for fear of evoking the hostile response that sank the Clintons’ attempt to achieve reform...

That's so he can say "We never said anything about rationing!"

Whatta putz.

18 posted on 08/10/2009 5:00:56 PM PDT by SuziQ
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Since liberals think killing babies is no big deal, we shouldn’t be surprised that killing adults and children is no big deal.

Logan’s Run, anybody?


19 posted on 08/10/2009 5:01:11 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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"If there is any point at which you say, “No, an extra six months isn’t worth that much,” then you think that health care should be rationed"

False. Rationing is an alternative to *prices* as a means of allocating a scarce resource. Those who support *pricing* precisely reject *rationing*. If you want to pay for it, the sky's the limit. But pay for it honestly, because you want it and it is important enough for you, whether as a feature of a particular plan or paid out of pocket. This is precisely what private health care allows, while socialized medicine cannot accomplish it.

Rationing makes men mortal enemies, pricing makes men free agents in charge of their own priorities. Precisely that distinction, the socialist deathmongers refuse to contemplate. Singer can jump off a bridge any time he likes to ration his own health care. He cannot ration mine, or any other free man's, with his specious sophistry.

23 posted on 08/10/2009 5:16:01 PM PDT by JasonC
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The amazing thing is that allowing the markets to determine how health care is “rationed” is completely untenable to this idiot. Why should supply, demand, and price determine who gets the scarce resource of medicinal services?

That would be CRAZY, right? Advocating a “merit based” system formulated through the calculus of financial success.

Like any other good or service, people should have to work to earn it from others. Period.


25 posted on 08/10/2009 5:18:37 PM PDT by bolobaby
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A drug called Sutent slows the spread of the cancer and may give you an extra six months, but at a cost of $54,000. Is a few more months worth that much?

They don't know how much time a drug will buy you. It could be that it would arrest the cancer and you'd live 5-10 more years. In that case would it be worth it? My wife's cousin had a deadly form of cancer that they told her she won't recover from. They gave her chemo and 40 years later she's still around.

These people are sick, and there isn't a pill that will cure it.

28 posted on 08/10/2009 5:39:22 PM PDT by HarleyD
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As usual, they are not consistent. If health-care is a “right” how can it be rationed?!


29 posted on 08/10/2009 5:39:45 PM PDT by doubleA
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BTW-I love how the Democrats will say they aren’t rationing health care and then turn around and say there’s nothing wrong with rationing it. Even their lies aren’t consistent. Then they tell us how compassionate they are.


30 posted on 08/10/2009 5:43:02 PM PDT by HarleyD
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Obama’s “Shovel-ready Health-care.” That’s a great line; I hope it catches on.


32 posted on 08/10/2009 6:00:00 PM PDT by Malesherbes (Sauve Qui Peut)
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I thought the drug was only $54,000 because of the evil pharmaceutical industry I mean insurance agencies I mean doctors prescribing unnecessary tests I mean astroturf mobs of well dressed corporate stooges.

Under Obamacare, no drug will cost more than like $3. None. You can look it up. Or you could if the plan wasn't top double secret.
33 posted on 08/10/2009 6:00:24 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment
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The costs of the current health care system are becoming increasingly clear

"The costs of the current health care system" today are about the same as they were in 1994--around 14-16% of the GDP. In other words, we are spending no more on healthcare now than we were fifteen years ago. I wonder why no one ever bothers to point this out.

34 posted on 08/10/2009 6:14:34 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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Healthcare should be run by the same standard any other commodity should be; value for value.

Healthcare, the research used to find new cures and make new equipment, payment for people to learn how to be doctors all costs money and the idea that the people who provide that equipment, training and healthcare shouldn’t be paid for the value of their goods and services is idiotic.

One thing that needs to be understood clearly before any discussion on healthcare is that healthcare is not a right; it’s something that must be produced and provided by other people, people who become slaves the minute their services are declared a right. No person or persons has an automatic entitlement to any form of healthcare.

And I’m willing to bet some of the big reasons for healthcare’s great cost are inflation, the government forcing them to answer more demans than their supplies can cover, and making them open to lawsuit if their patient so much as breaks a nail.


35 posted on 08/10/2009 6:17:02 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("Need has never produced anything. It has only been an excuse to steal from those with ablity.")
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>You have advanced kidney cancer. It will kill you, probably in the next year or two. A drug called Sutent slows the spread of the cancer and may give you an extra six months, but at a cost of $54,000. Is a few more months worth that much?<

What’s it to you, if the person pays for the care by having good insurance, or by paying out of pocket???


36 posted on 08/10/2009 6:17:06 PM PDT by Darnright (There can never be a complete confidence in a power which is excessive. - Tacitus)
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That’s why we have free markets, to ration goods through free choice rather than dictat.


38 posted on 08/10/2009 6:49:59 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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