Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The Rush Limbaugh LIVE Radio Show Thread - Monday, August 10, 2009
The EIB Network ^ | 08/10/09 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 08/10/2009 8:17:36 AM PDT by IMissPresidentReagan

AND NOW . . . amidst billowing clouds of fragrant, aromatic first- and second-hand premium cigar smoke. . . it is time for . . . that harmless, lovable little fuzz ball, the highly-trained broadcast specialist, having more fun than a human being should be allowed to have, from behind the golden EIB microphone, firmly ensconced in the prestigious Attila-the-Hun chair at the Limbaugh Institute of Advanced Conservative Studies, serving humanity simply by showing up, and he’s not retiring until every American agrees with him, do NOT doubt him, with shrieks of joy at the mere mention of his name (that’s Rush, for those in Rio Linda),the Mandarin of Talk Radio, with talent on loan from G-d, at the cutting-edge of societal evolution, with half his brain tied behind his back — just to make it fair, the all-knowing, all-caring, all-sensing, all-feeling, all-concerned Maha-Rushie! America’s anchorman, truth detector, and doctor of democracy. A Real Man, a living legend, a way of life. Commander in Chief of U.S. Operation Chaos. Chief Waga-Waga El Rushbo of the El Conservo Tribe. Chief of the Patriotism Police. Leader of the Conservative Movement. A Weapon of Mass Instruction. El Rushbo (a little Spanish lingo, there). He is the man who is running America (you know it and I know it). He knows the Democrats like every square inch of his glorious naked body. He is ready to do what he was born to do—that’s host. Get ready to what you were born to do—that’s listen (and post your comments on the Rush Limbaugh LIVE Radio Thread).

We love to hear Rush Limbaugh,
Excellence in Broadcasting.
From sea to shining sea,
Millions and millions listen.
Conservative voice of freedom,
Heard throughout all America.
A message pure and truthful,
The downhearted are encouraged.
Integrity and honesty his motto.
We love you, Rush.
Listen to Rush Limbaugh.
G-d Bless you, Rush Limbaugh.


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bhohealthcare; rush; rushlimbaugh; talkradio
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 261-280281-300301-320321-340 last
To: All

Fair and Balanced Post of the Day:

I’ll post this and tell you later where it’s from.

Under the latest health care bill out of the Congress, will old folks have a duty to die?

Does the bill prescribe end-of-life options and explicitly encourage them?

Is everyone over 65 mandated to receive counseling for “Advanced Care Planning” (a euphemism for “death planning”) every 5 years?

There are those who look at the bill and say, “absolutely.” Obama’s bill will solve health care costs by encouraging older people to decide to pack it in early, perhaps with the assistance of their “health care proxy” (a new decision-making position). Others say no such thing is stated and that those who say so are both cruel and out to destroy any improvement and needed reforms in our health care system.

So, I looked at the relevant section of the bill, and I don’t know what the hell it means. And that is the real problem. It is a splattery Rorschach of word salad and mumbo-jumbo that allows one to reach just about any conclusion. It has to be interpreted to make sense. So anyone can fill in the gaps as they please.

Now, I have no quarrel with encouraging people—of all ages—to find a responsible individual who cares about them and assign a power of attorney in case they are unable to make their own decisions or act according to their previously-stated wishes. Creating a trust or will—at any age—is also a good idea. A Mac Truck could be barreling down your same path tomorrow.

But, truthfully, I have trouble with what I am able to make of the contested section. No matter what else, the government is going to make sure that your pending demise remains at the forefront of your mind when you hit 65. Subtle pulls will likely be created—one may begin to doubt one’s continued worth, to dwell on the grim reaper, to become depressed, instead of enjoying what time is left to its fullest.

OK—see what you think. Here is what everyone is arguing about straight from the text. I’m not asking you to read the whole thing, but get the feel of it. You might want to take a swig of something first…

SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.
(a) MEDICARE.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended—
(A) in subsection (s)(2)—(i) by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end of subparagraph (DD); (ii) by adding ‘‘and’’ at the end of subparagraph (EE); and (iii) by adding at the end the following new subparagraph:425

Are you with me?

(FF) advance care planning consultation (as defined in subsection (hhh)(1));’’ and (B) by adding at the end the following new subsection: ‘‘Advance Care Planning Consultation ‘‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a consultation between the individual and a practitioner described in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years.

Is this mandated? I can’t tell. But here’s what it is about:

Such consultation shall include the following:
(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.
(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable
powers of attorney, and their uses.
(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline, the advance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.
(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of
orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders, which shall include—
(I) the reasons why the development of such an order is beneficial to the individual and the individual’s family and the reasons why such an order should be updated periodically as the health of the individual changes;
(II) the information needed for an individual or legal surrogate to make informed decisions regarding the completion of such an order; and
(III) the identification of resources that an individual may use to determine the requirements of the State in which such individual resides so that the treatment wishes of that individual will be carried out if the individual is unable to communicate those wishes, including requirements regarding the designation of a surrogate decision maker (also known as a health care proxy).
(ii) The Secretary shall limit the requirement for explanations under clause (i) to consultations
furnished in a State—
(I) in which all legal barriers have been addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining treatment to constitute a set of medical orders respected across all care settings; and
(II) that has in effect a program for orders for life sustaining treatment described in
clause (iii).
(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining treatment for a States described in this clause is a
program that—
(I) ensures such orders are standardized and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;
(II) distributes or makes accessible such orders to physicians and other health professionals that (acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law) may sign orders for life sustaining treatment;
(III) provides training for health care professionals across the continuum of care about the goals and use of orders for life sustaining treatment; and
(IV) is guided by a coalition of stakeholders includes representatives from emergency medical services, emergency department physicians or nurses, state long-term care association, state medical association, state surveyors, agency responsible for senior services, state department of health, state hospital association, home health association, state bar association, and state hospice association.
(2) A practitioner described in this paragraph is—
(A) a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)); and
(B) a nurse practitioner or physician’s assistant who has the authority under State law to sign
orders for life sustaining treatments.
(3)(A) An initial preventive physical examination under subsection (WW), including any related discussion during such examination, shall not be considered an advance care planning consultation for purposes of applying the 5-year limitation under paragraph (1).
(B) An advance care planning consultation with respect to an individual may be conducted more frequently than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a
life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, along-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or a hospice program.
(4) A consultation under this subsection may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining treatment or a similar order.
(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to the treatment of that individual that—
(i) is signed and dated by a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)) or another health care
professional (as specified by the Secretary and who is acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law in signing such an order, including a nurse practitioner or physician assistant) and is in a form that permits it to stay with the individual and be followed by health care professionals and providers across the continuum of care;
(ii) effectively communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, including an indication of the treatment and care desired by the individual;
(iii) is uniquely identifiable and standardized within a given locality, region, or State (as identified by the Secretary); and
(iv) may incorporate any advance directive (as defined in section 1866(f)(3)) if executed by the individual.
(B) The level of treatment indicated under subparagraph (A)(ii) may range from an indication for full treatment to an indication to limit some or all or specified interventions. Such indicated levels of treatment may include indications respecting, among other items—
(i) the intensity of medical intervention if the patient is pulse less, apneic, or has serious cardiac
or pulmonary problems;
(ii) the individual’s desire regarding transfer to a hospital or remaining at the current care set21
ting;
(iii) the use of antibiotics; and
(iv) the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration

It seems as though there are a lot of strangers and red tape going on for what should be family decisions.

PAYMENT.—Section 1848(j)(3) of such Act (42 U.S.C. 1395w-4(j)(3)) is amended by inserting
(2)(FF),’’ after ‘‘(2)(EE),’’.
(3) FREQUENCY LIMITATION.—Section 1862(a)of such Act (42 U.S.C. 1395y(a)) is amended—
(A) in paragraph (1)—
(i) in subparagraph (N), by striking and’’ at the end;
(ii) in subparagraph (O) by striking the semicolon at the end and inserting “and”; and
(iii) by adding at the end the following
new subparagraph:
(P) in the case of advance care planning consultations (as defined in section1861(hhh)(1)), which are performed more frequently than is covered under such section; and
(B) in paragraph (7), by striking ‘‘or (K)’’and inserting ‘‘(K), or (P)’’.
(4) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendments made by this subsection shall apply to consultations furnished on or after January 1, 2011.
(b) EXPANSION OF PHYSICIAN QUALITY REPORTING

I thought that our ethic was to provide life-sustaining treatment UNLESS there were orders to the contrary. It looks like that has flip-flopped–you now need orders to be kept alive. And how can anyone make these decisions in advance–as in “advance directive planning”?

INITIATIVE FOR END OF LIFE CARE.—
1 (1) PHYSICIAN’S QUALITY REPORTING INITIATIVE.—Section 1848(k)(2) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395w–4(k)(2)) is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraphs:
(3) PHYSICIAN’S QUALITY REPORTING INITIATIVE.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—For purposes of reporting data on quality measures for covered professional services furnished during 2011 and any subsequent year, to the extent that measures are available, the Secretary shall include quality measures on end of life care and advanced care planning that have been adopted or endorsed by a consensus-based organization, if appropriate. Such measures shall measure both the creation of and adherence to orders for life sustaining treatment.
(B) PROPOSED SET OF MEASURES.— The Secretary shall publish in the Federal Register proposed quality measures on end of life care and advanced care planning that the Secretary determines are described in subparagraph (A) and would be appropriate for eligible professionals to use to submit data to the Secretary. The Secretary shall provide for a period of public comment on such set of measures before finalizing such proposed measures.’’

Mmmmkay…

c) INCLUSION OF INFORMATION IN MEDICARE &YOU HANDBOOK.—
(1) MEDICARE & YOU HANDBOOK.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the
Secretary of Health and Human Services shall update the online version of the Medicare &You Handbook to include the following:
(i) An explanation of advance care planning and advance directives, including—
(I) living wills;
(II) durable power of attorney;
(III) orders of life-sustaining treatment; and
(IV) health care proxies.
(ii) A description of Federal and State resources available to assist individuals and their families with advance care planning and advance directives, including—
(I) available State legal service organizations to assist individuals with advance care planning, including those organizations that receive funding pursuant to the Older Americans Act of 1965 (42 U.S.C. 93001 et seq.);
(II) website links or addresses for State-specific advance directive forms; and
(III) any additional information, as determined by the Secretary.

OK—you have the picture. Any questions? The correct answer is, “huh?”

Site: http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/27/are-grandma-and-grandpa-the-targets/


321 posted on 08/10/2009 11:44:53 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Ez 38 Pray.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 152 | View Replies]

To: djegators

He said if you went through your employer to get a Federal or State plan.


322 posted on 08/10/2009 11:45:38 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Ez 38 Pray.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 151 | View Replies]

To: All
judge andrew napolitano said ALL correspondence with the white house MUST be placed in the national archives

we need a foia for all the tattle tale e/mails

323 posted on 08/10/2009 11:47:24 AM PDT by sloop (pfc in the quiet civil war)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 319 | View Replies]

To: txradioguy

Obama does have a plan.

Have the senate pass ANYTHING and just use the reconcilliation to pass socialized medicine with a single payer system.

Obama’s play is to make the US government beholding to the unions.

IOW he wants to do to the USA what the unions and poor managment did to GM.


324 posted on 08/10/2009 11:52:00 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 320 | View Replies]

To: ChicagoConservative27

The payment does suck, but with Mrs. Springman’s heath prombles, had to did dip into savings, have to pay it.

However that’s better than having the Feds run our medical.

When I had to go to “Michigan Works” it must be nice to stand around, drinking coffee, and doing nothing.

I could see them saying, “No you can’t get that treament, I’ve have to go on my coffee break, by!!!


325 posted on 08/10/2009 11:54:21 AM PDT by Springman (Rest In Peace YaYa123)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 319 | View Replies]

To: AliVeritas

Excuse me, the healthcare also didn’t work in Obama’s home state of Hawaii.

BTW, re: clip Not even doctors can speak.


326 posted on 08/10/2009 11:54:45 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Ez 38 Pray.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 251 | View Replies]

To: AliVeritas

**Excuse me, the healthcare also didn’t work in Obama’s home state of Hawaii.**

NOt working in MASS either... and OREGON is an adventure unto itself.
Breast Cancer patient in Oregon, told won’t pay for the drug she needs (too $$$$) .. but we’ll gladly pay for the drugs under “DOCTOR ASSISTED SUICIDE” ...

And they wonder where we get the “Mistaken Notion” that they gonna put Grandma out to pasture and Leave them there.


327 posted on 08/10/2009 11:59:50 AM PDT by gwilhelm56 (Orwell's 1984 - To Conservatives, a WARNING - to Liberals, a TEXTBOOK!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 326 | View Replies]

To: ChicagoConservative27

I can’t believe I forgot to send you the links.

re: emails from reps and sens pre-done letters... I have to find it again.


328 posted on 08/10/2009 12:00:35 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ez 38 Pray.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 289 | View Replies]

To: txradioguy

They are defective. We know the reason for earlier dictators madness, elite inbreeding/family dysfunction... what’s theirs?


329 posted on 08/10/2009 12:04:08 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ez 38 Pray.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 316 | View Replies]

To: AliVeritas

I so miss President Bush.


330 posted on 08/10/2009 12:05:55 PM PDT by sono (If you think Healthcare is expensive now, wait 'til it's free.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 287 | View Replies]

To: gwilhelm56

I dubbed Oregon the Groningen Protocol state back when they salivated with briefs in hand re: Schiavo.

Have I ever told you Felos (Mr. Schiavo’s Eugenic Society lawyer) does a lot of travel to Hawaii? For business as well.

Nevermind.


331 posted on 08/10/2009 12:07:37 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ez 38 Pray.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 327 | View Replies]

To: sloop

Sloop, my spouse is a lawyer; he says to tell you he has read it twice and still doesn’t understand it. It is designed to obfuscate like all government forms are. BEWARE.


332 posted on 08/10/2009 12:11:30 PM PDT by yoe (Obama, America's first Communist ruler.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 256 | View Replies]

To: AliVeritas

The next AARP convention ought to be quite an entertaining affair.


333 posted on 08/10/2009 12:16:14 PM PDT by sono (If you think Healthcare is expensive now, wait 'til it's free.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 321 | View Replies]

To: AliVeritas

Rut Roh, the left spins...

How the White House’s Deal With Big Pharma Undermines Democracy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2312506/posts

Tom Coburn: Ten Questions Politicians Won’t Answer - Evasive politicians, not concerned citizens...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2312505/posts

Another astroturf chapter...

Wearing Our Health Care Wishes - Kansas (Health Care Organizing Event) (add this badge sale to the HC t-shirts, isn’t this against the law and why is the site still active? @barackobama.com)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2312498/posts

Now:

CHET EDWARDS, CONGRESSMAN FOR 17TH DISTRICT IN TEXAS

There will be a peaceful demostration today at 12 noon in front of Chet Edwards office for Brazos Valley. Address is: Brazos Valley Office: 4001 East 29th St., Suite 116 Bryan, Texas 77802 (979) 691-8797 Fax: (979) 691-8939


334 posted on 08/10/2009 12:18:26 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ez 38 Pray.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AliVeritas

Come on down and enjoy the heat and humidity...can’t hardly wait for Oct weather. LOL!!


335 posted on 08/10/2009 12:55:27 PM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 290 | View Replies]

To: rightwingintelligentsia

Once I determine the definition of “semi-formal”, I guess I have to go shopping.

I don’t know what the heck to bring. Your commisseration will be greatly appreciated.


336 posted on 08/10/2009 1:47:09 PM PDT by HonestConservative (http://web.me.com/pac8185/Site_2/Podcast/Podcast.html)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 302 | View Replies]

To: MarkLevinFan

And boy are your arms tired.


337 posted on 08/10/2009 1:48:40 PM PDT by HonestConservative (http://web.me.com/pac8185/Site_2/Podcast/Podcast.html)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 280 | View Replies]

To: HonestConservative

Will there be some sort of social event that we have to dress for?

You mean cut-off shorts and a “Palin 2012” t-shirt won’t do?


338 posted on 08/10/2009 3:01:47 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Can we trade in the clunker we have in the White House?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 336 | View Replies]

To: rightwingintelligentsia

Not unless its beaded.


339 posted on 08/10/2009 3:13:08 PM PDT by HonestConservative (http://web.me.com/pac8185/Site_2/Podcast/Podcast.html)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 338 | View Replies]

To: AliVeritas

If this weren’t so serious, it would be beyond funny! It reads like an IRS manual; all government programs are like this....why would anyone trust more intrusion from that body. Time to throw the lot out or withhold our federal taxes until they start doing what they swore to do....not holding my breath.


340 posted on 08/10/2009 3:20:41 PM PDT by yoe (Obama, America's first Communist ruler.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 321 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 261-280281-300301-320321-340 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson