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Women aren’t equal to men - especially not the feminists
Times of London ^ | August 9, 2009 | Minette Marrin

Posted on 08/08/2009 4:39:06 PM PDT by GOPGuide

Men and women really are different. The findings of hard science – in endocrinology, brain structure and function and genetics, for instance – have forced rational feminists to admit that, statistically speaking, men and women have different aptitudes, interests and responses, little though this is yet understood. Such generalisations never apply to an individual, of course, and although – for instance – women are underrepresented at the extremes of intelligence and statistically are less good at higher maths, chess, musical composition and physics, any one woman might be brilliant.

Similarly, while women tend in general to be less aggressive and more conciliatory, there are plenty of ferocious females and Wodehouse aunts, and plenty of men who are shrinking violets – with obvious implications for their working lives.

The point here, and it’s another centrally important fact, which feminists either don’t know or refuse to admit, is that you would not therefore necessarily expect men and women to be equally represented in any particular occupation. The fact that just two out of 25 top maths dons or bond traders or gangmasters are men, say, is not self-evidently due to discrimination against women mathematicians, bond traders or gangers (although it may be). And this underlies an obvious killer fact for the politics of equality: equality of opportunity is not the same thing as equality of outcome.

It is a dangerous mistake doggedly to pursue equality of outcome and equal numbers of men and women in everything. The entire basis of the gender equality movement, equality by numbers, stems from an unquestioned and wrong assumption, taken as fact in defiance of the actual truth.

The tragedy of feminism is that it has been dogged, or perhaps I should say bitched, by a lot of fixed ideas and unquestioned beliefs.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: feminism; men; sexdifferences; women
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To: goat granny

LOL - hard to keep it there ... I’m usually around 110-115


41 posted on 08/08/2009 5:18:29 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: GOPGuide

All the feminists I know and am married to thinks that women are MORE equal than men. ;-)


42 posted on 08/08/2009 5:19:41 PM PDT by J40000
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To: J40000
All the feminists I know and am married to thinks that women are MORE equal than men. ;-)

Plural? Better hope they don't find out about one another...

;-)

43 posted on 08/08/2009 5:26:09 PM PDT by JillValentine (Drinking Kool-Aid leads to PDS.)
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To: SkyDancer

Wow, impressively thin. I’m 5’5” and 120 - I try to keep it within two pounds of the 120 mark, up or down.


44 posted on 08/08/2009 5:27:29 PM PDT by JillValentine (Drinking Kool-Aid leads to PDS.)
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To: SkyDancer

With a chocolate ganache and raspberry torte in my frig. Its impossible to keep my weight any where.. :O)


45 posted on 08/08/2009 5:31:32 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: GOPGuide

Wow.

This thread sure brought out a lot of female freepers.


46 posted on 08/08/2009 5:32:45 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: goat granny

What’s your address - I’m on my way over .... !!!!


47 posted on 08/08/2009 5:34:19 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: GOPGuide

And you like it that way.


48 posted on 08/08/2009 5:36:19 PM PDT by JillValentine (Drinking Kool-Aid leads to PDS.)
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To: SkyDancer

Just to turn you green with envy, its sitting beside my Carmel Turtle Cheesecake....:O)


49 posted on 08/08/2009 5:39:21 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Dilbert San Diego
The liberals will eat their own when certain sacred cows are threatened.

Pun intended?

50 posted on 08/08/2009 5:40:00 PM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: GOPGuide
although – for instance – women are underrepresented at the extremes of intelligence and statistically are less good at higher maths,

I must admit that I could never quite grasp the concept that x,y or z = a number. However, I can balance a checkbook. I know that writing checks for over the balance in my account will result in, at the very least, fines, and at the most, criminal indictments.

51 posted on 08/08/2009 5:40:24 PM PDT by DejaJude
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To: goat granny

Ok, that’s it!!! I’m heading out to get a Dove bar .... double chocolate ....


52 posted on 08/08/2009 5:41:40 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: JillValentine
And you like it that way.

I was actually hoping to bring out misogynistic freepers rather than the wimmin. But if I got you of all people pissed off and indignant, then my mission is complete.

53 posted on 08/08/2009 5:45:24 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: goat granny

5’6” - but a 45” ribcage. Finding Bras that fit is an all-day job.

Getting back on-topic... there are differences in neurology betweeen men and women that are visible at 26 weeks after conception. Dynamic MRI scans show that men and women use different parts if the brain for the same purpose, and the same part for different purposes.

We had no idea of the extensive differences in anatomy even ten years ago.

However... like everything in biology, it’s statistical. Men are taller than women - but there’s plenty of women taller than many men. Women tend to be better at verbal communication, but some are tongue-tied compared to some guys. We have to treat individuals on their merits.

That’s my brand of Feminism anyway. I think males get a raw deal in divorce courts in many states, but the Glass Ceiling is very real.

Transsexual men - that is men with feminised bodies at birth, get a 5% pay increase on average when they get their problem fixed.
Transsexual women get a 25% pay cut. Same person, same skills, same qualifications.

Oh yes, transsexuals have cross-gendered brains. Quite literally male brain in female body, or the reverse. It’s a congenital problem. But I digress.


54 posted on 08/08/2009 5:47:18 PM PDT by Zoe Brain (Rocket Scientist, Naval Combat System Architect)
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To: SkyDancer

“Less good” is also a viable alternative in British English. So if you have an actual point to make regarding the article, I suggest you try something besides baseless grammar nitpicking.


55 posted on 08/08/2009 5:49:40 PM PDT by sthguard (Pres__ent Obama: He's All Ego.)
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To: SkyDancer
I fly that NATO combat trainer ... I have dumped a lot of guys when we went up to do a rat chase/fur ball/dog fight ....I have never been shot down (so to speak) by any guy. Those trainers pull 9gs positive and 3g’s negative ... we don’t wear g-suits when we do it. I’m 5’7 and weight 120 .....

I'm not sure what the point of your post is. Your anecdotal experience in one frame of reference says nothing about overall statistics or about other frames of reference. Am I to conclude that decades worth of research in sex differences is in error because of your (limited) experiences?

Or should I counter with additional frames of reference? I could give you my own personal anecdotes concerning an amateur national championship women's hockey team that played in our local beer league. Not only did they go 0-25 for the season, the average margin of victory was in double digits. I suppose I could make observations about women based on this experience that would be just as accurate and valid as yours, yes? Or perhaps the fact is that your personal experience is statistically irrelevant (as is mine)?

Actually, your statements hurt your case more than anything else. Whenever I hear some guy talking about how tough he is (or how much better at X or Y he is), it's usually the exact opposite. People who are impressive don't have to talk about it. So my natural reaction (also backed up by personal experience, making it as equally valid as your post above) is to assume that his bluster is actually an admission of inferiority... and his desperate desire that it was not so.

So what does that say about your post?

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

56 posted on 08/08/2009 5:50:58 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: Zoe Brain
Dynamic MRI scans show that men and women use different parts if the brain for the same purpose, and the same part for different purposes.

Those MRI scans are obviously SEXIST!

My lib arts professors told me so!

/s

57 posted on 08/08/2009 5:51:58 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

Ok, whatever ...


58 posted on 08/08/2009 5:53:13 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SkyDancer; sthguard

Um, isn’t Minette Marrin a woman? :-)


59 posted on 08/08/2009 5:53:26 PM PDT by Tribune7 (I am Jim Thompson!)
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To: DejaJude
I know that writing checks for over the balance in my account will result in, at the very least, fines, and at the most, criminal indictments.

Or a seat in Congress, or maybe even a Nobel Prize in Economics and a weekly column in the NY Times...

60 posted on 08/08/2009 5:54:24 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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