Kenya BC a fraud? Template of forgery found?

freerepublic.com ^ | August 3, 2009 | don-o

[Wally_Kalbacken]

The entire reason there is a professional field known as forensic document examination is that a great deal can be told from examination of the original document itself. Much, much less can be told by looking at a photocopy of a document and very little, if anything at all, can be told from looking at a digital image that purports to be an image of an original document. Too much opportunity for adulteration, no opportunity to examine the paper, the ink, any impressions made on the paper, etc. These online pissing matches discussing images (especially photographic images) of documents are not worth the electrons.

I'm not arguing that Obama was not born in the United States. But, if I were arguing such a position I would be requesting that the President select a neutral panel of say 3 journalists and 2 (or 3) experienced forensic document examiners and then ask the Governor of Hawaii to unseal the documents for the purpose of an in camera examination, following which a report can be made to the public. That seems like a fair and probably not too expensive way to resolve this question.

At some point, whether Obama and his advisors consider those who argue that he is not a natural citizen to be total kooks, or not, it becomes worth it to clear away this question so, arguably, we can concentrate on what may be more important issues. As it becomes more of a distraction to his administration, it will become even more conspicuous that he does not swat this fly with ease, unless he values embarrassing his detractors more than clearing the air, in which case he may wait for a long time.

I think it would be extremely interesting to see a write-up of the procedural mechanics by which his campaign lawyers sealed these records as well as his academic transcripts. The Federal privacy laws which control access to academic transcripts date back to 1974, but seem to be generally ineffective for most politicians running for office (e.g., G.W. Bush, Dan Quayle, etc.) Somehow, Obama's approach worked. The only question on the transcripts is - was it something overt that the campaign did to maintain or assert the privacy interest or was the passive acquiescence of the media in not publicizing them?

I also find his transfer from Occidental College to Columbia University curious. I'd love to see a frequency analysis of how many students in the 10 years before or 10 years following Obama's entry at Columbia had transferred either from Occidental or a college similar to Occidental after 2 years of undergraduate study. Something tells me it is very uncommon. Like 56-game hitting streak in the major leagues uncommon.

[Royal Wulff]

More likely is that all UK dominions had a similar form for birth registration.

Although I think the Kenya form is a fake.

[don-o]

http://www.politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2099

Looks like this is where the Australian angle came in. Now, who is politijab and how did he / she uncover it? Blog says hours of Google searching? Ya think?

[Non-Sequitur]

most BC’s from both former and at that time current british protectorates had simillar forms..

Australia had been an independent country for almost 55 years before the Obama document was supposedly created. No changes during all that time?

[swheats]

FR under attack again by leftist punk trolls

This issue makes me think these folks are still very busy.

[Kells]

The number “2” in the “No.” field at the top would indicate there was only 1 prior copy issued that year in the district.

Do we know that that's what "No." refers to or are we just assuming it?

"No." is obviously an abbreviation for Number--most likely a sequential number since it must be typed.

We are certainly guessing if we assume the Kenyan BC is copied from the Australian BC and not the other way around. The number in the Kenyan "No." field seems more plausible than the number in the Australian "No." field.

[don-o]

Was it something I said?

[Paine in the Neck]

I perhaps didn't express that well. I know that "No." is an abbreviation for "Number". What I'm asking is if the know what "No." is counting so that we can make sense of whether "2" or "47O44" are reasonable numbers to expect.

[jarofants]

How come father is darker than the other words?

[Paine in the Neck]

“if the know” should be “if we know”

[swheats]

Everything. I was just linking to the article Jim posted days ago. Just possibilities of who would have wanted to do the forgery.

[jarofants]

Your 100% right. I think the newest one is phony.

[Brytani]

At least it was found by our side and not the O-bots.

[Brytani]

Look at the numbers

[El Cid]

Re: Posts 40 and 29

Thanks to FreepShop1

Are you and FreepShop1 the same person -- or did you just happened to sign up the same day (10/28/08)? ...

[Brytani]

The Australian Template was found was Hanen of Awakening Radio - our side did the research and discovered it.

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[chs68]

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[Bluebeard16]

What I noticed about the two different BC’s is that if you look at the first one down at the very bottom it has a line and under that it says W. L. Hawkes Government Printer, Adelaide and the other one does not.

[don-o]

When and where?

[Plutarch]

At least it was found by our side and not the O-bots.

You're right. The O-Bots said it was an obvious fake, but couldn't specify what exactly was so obvious. They might have pointed out something with it being a District or Province or something, but that is about it.

And now this particular Kenyan BC thing will go away. B-but, we are conspiracy theorists who are immune to reality, says the anti-Birthers.