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To: savedbygrace
DUmmies are supposed to be the ones who don't know our Constitution, not FReepers. Your post completely ignores United States v. Wong Kim Ark, which clarified the Fourteenth Amendment's following statement: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside (emphasis mine).

Fact of the matter is, our country has birthright citizenship. Why do you think Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee made abolishing that privilege a part of their campaigns? Answer: because it currently exists.

1,160 posted on 08/07/2009 4:26:40 PM PDT by Abd al-Rahiim
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To: Abd al-Rahiim

Like a number of others here, you are confusing citizenship with Natural Born citizenship.

The case you cite only dealt with citizenship, not Natural Born citizenship.


1,161 posted on 08/07/2009 4:35:46 PM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: Abd al-Rahiim; WhiskeyX
Your mischaracterization has been thoroughly squashed for the obamanoid crap it is ... the 14th A cannot cancel the clause regarding natural born citizenship for eligibility to hols presidential office:

[[ In fact, the Supreme Court ruled a very long time ago in Marbury v. Madison that it is quite impossible for the term “citizen” as it is used in Amendment XIV to have the same meaning as “natural born citizen” phrase was used in Article 2 of the Constitution (Leo Donofrio and sister).

“It cannot be presumed that any clause in the constitution is intended to be without effect; and therefore such construction is inadmissible, unless the words require it.”

Constructing the word “citizen” in Amendment XIV to render the “natural born citizen” phrase without effect for the purpose intended by the Founding Fathers as it was written into the Constitution and actually effected to the present day is in the words of Justice Marshall “inadmissible, unless the words require it.”

For thousands of years, virtually every society and government within the tradition of our present Law of Nations has observed a custom of using allegiance by birth and allegiance by oath as a means of establishing citizenship in a society and nation. The Founding Fathers relied upon this universal principle of allegiance and citizenship when including the phrase “natural born citizen” to indicate a person born with allegiance only to the United States of America was a requirement for eligibility to the Office of the President.

Now we have a gang of people who have failed many attempts in very recent years to obtain an Amendment to the Constitution which would make Barack Hussein Obama Jr. eligible for the Office of the President. Having failed to lawfully obtain the required Amendment to the Constitution before the presidential campaign, they instead resorted to simply brazening it out in disregard of the Constitution. Now they seek to exploit legal loopholes, pettifoggery, and false propaganda as a means of obfuscating the obvious fact the Founding Fathers by word and deed denied the Office of the President to any person born with allegiance to a foreign sovereign and government.
Freeper 'Whiskey X' on a concurrently running thread.]]

1,162 posted on 08/07/2009 4:47:39 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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