Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid
Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
Chester Arthur, elected VP, assumed the presidency. At the time, there were rumors that he was born in Canada. In the following, see the last few paragraphs of Q&A No. 14.
It was not the same form. And it was not a forgery, it was nothing more than a joke. A forgery has to have at least some chance of being taken seriously.
The background, made to look like alter-proof paper, said over and over again, in Dutch, something like "This is not a government document. It is meant for amusement only. Obama is your President for another three and a half years. Get used to it"
No one can call this a forgery. It is merely a satire.
That’s why the staple holes are there. This was part of the divorce.
They are unsealed.
VERY good. Actually this is not an image manipulation type forgery, if it is one. It is the old fashioned kind: a real duplication of a government form, that needs to dublicate type style, paper type, layout, look and fee, it has to get the basics right, and it has to look aged, but not too aged.
I doubt any high school kid could carry something lijke this off. this would need a skilled and knowledgeable forger. If it is a forgery.
I personallly beleive it is genuine, but who knows. I have an openmind. Almost all the critiques I read to day range from the insubstantial to the metaphysical. But the real analysis has yet to begin.
Well one thing is sure. If as some have said this is a well planned fake. They will have to stand before a JUDGE and admitt a public hoax against the POTUS. Come on Soros...be a man, did you fund the faking of this Doc. DUer’s.....are you saving up for a trip to Florida? Dems are so stupid they don’t realize how dangerous this is if they have actually faked a Government Document.
OR IS IT REAL?
plus dissing Brown, touching the Queen...he’s given them reason to be P.O.’d.
Your right....I must have had a previous post lurking in my mind when I read your post. Please accept my apologies. I AGREE with your post.
“Lingua franca”
so do I...but if it isn't, then Stanley Ann presented a fake to establish the ID of her son when she applied for the divorce.
If Obama’s mother was getting a divorce in Hawaii, and had to prove to the judge there was a child produced from the marriage, then why did she have to send to Kenya to get that proof? She could have just obtained the birth certificate in Honolulu if he was born there. Even she knew she had to get the document, even a copy, from the place of birth.
Ebay guy was a fake (according to Ed, who cannot necessarily be trusted), yes. This is all according to Ed, but last year he DID claim that three copies of the Kenyan BC were obtained and in the hands of three separate individuals.
That certainly makes sense, considering that we already have one suspicious death with possible linkages to this matter. If that document was produced as part of the divorce, then the anonymous person might well be an employee of the law firm that handled it, who just happened to be browsing through the firm's dusty archives. At a minimum, he (she) should be in fear of losing his (her) job.
I wanted to read your evaluation of the posted document. Now that I have seen it, I have to say, I was disappointed and not impressed. There is very little substance to your post.
The “shuck & jive” about the numbers and especially the E. F. Lavender reference is juvenile. Either the numbers lead to a recorded document or they don’t, either E. F. Lavender is a real person in this position or he is not. I see nothing to prove or discount this but it should be revealed in court, if it gets I far.
I suspect there are just as many, or more, in the states that can produce a quality forgery (there is big money in fake historical documents). Some documents, as well as things such as paintings have fooled experts but I doubt this is of that level (if it is fake) since all the pertinent information should be easily verified.
The document does not purport to be a Governmental birth registry from 1961, it is presented as a February 1964 document that is a true copy of the birth registry. The only valid point here is when the name “REPUBLIC of Kenya was used. Do you have any information on that (other than a generic statement about when it became the Republic of Kenya), this too should be easy to verity.
I also haven’t found anything to verify your assertion that the hospital was called “Coast PROVINCIAL General Hospital”. What I have found indicated that it was know as Mombasa Hospital (at the time of Obama’s birth), was changed to Katherine Bibby Hospital and then changed back to Mombasa Hospital. It could have been referred to differently by locals, do you know this to be the case.
As for the Israeli Intelligence reference, that seems to be another generic statement. Is there a specific reference to this hospital (perhaps a little sleuthing would have narrowed it down) and did they check beyond hospital records.... such as district records..
I would like someone with document experience (thought it was going to be you) to post an analysis, if not I will post my own (for what it’s worth) later.
I’d love to see a survey on the “sexual preferences” of those “white liberals.”
Sheesh, this whole issue has gone into Fantasyland. Are there any cartoons with this movie? Oy, it's giving me schpilkis.
The question is, does the constitution provide for a republican-style government?
I agree with you. I cringe whenever that DU term is used. Rather like black people calling each other the N word.
I have a different possible explanation for the source's reluctance. I think he could have purloined the document from Hawaii courthouse records, which I believe would be a criminal offense, and coming forward could jeopardize his freedom, maybe interfering with making a buck or two.
But, if that IS what happened, then he NEEDS to come forward with the honest truth, come what may, in order to establish the provenance and authenticity of the document.
Or, if the holder of the document KNOWS it to be genuine due to where and how he acquired it, then he may assume that it can be validated in orher ways, such as checking the data contained in the document. If this is his intent then the document itself diminishes in importance, and becomes essentially a treasure map. If indeed the underlying document exists at the specified location (Book 44B, Page 5733), then who cares what the proffered secondary document looked like, or who signed it or if he had a funny name.
I feel sorry for Eric Lavender...a storm is headed his way...
Has anyone attempted to contact him?
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