“You continue to prop up your assertion that Obama was born in Hawaii with the statement from the Hawaiian Health Director,”
... that was just ONE of SEVEN points of evidence pointing to Obama’s birth in Honolulu ...
” but you’re willfully ignoring the point that that statement is not hard evidence of fact. It’s simply a bureaucrat’s press statement. Nothing more.”
Which is like calling any official document ‘just a piece of paper’. Actually, this statement has a lot of weight as it comes from a state official in charge of records. Her credibility and career is on the line if she deviates from truth. People like this are in the position to know the truth and she simply made a statement about what Obama’s records show. There really is no reason to doubt this, unless you concoct some wide conspiracy to deceive. If for example, Obama’s records did not show him being born in Honolulu, like some suspected, she could have just stayed silent.
“You can argue that “she wouldn’t lie, would she?”, but that would just be propping up your already weak supporting article with a huge assumption.”
It’s not a huge assumption at all, since every vital records office in the country is based on the SAME assumption. If this is not believable evidence then every official birth record in the country is suspect. Claims that she is being dishonest are just baseless and come from some assumption of political tampering. That’s circular logic (”If she says nothing its proof something is amiss, if she validates the official story, its proof she is in on the fraud.”) you can get to any loopy conspiracy theory with that mindset. At some point common sense view has to take over.
Again, I dont take her statement as sole proof, but as solid evidence if corroborated by other facts (which it is) and lack of realistic alternative scenario (nobody has explained how/why state of hawaii birth records would show a non-US birthplace for Obama).
“For all of your posting on this thread, you have not once provided a single shred of real evidence to support your contentions.”
Baloney. You are engaged in the fallacy of calling evidence that doesnt convince you ‘not evidence’. The state of Hawaii making an on-the-record statement saying Obama was born in Hawaii *IS* evidence. it’s your choice to disbelieve or dismiss evidence, but dont call it ‘not a shread of evidence’.
This is evidence too...
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser0000.gif
You can dismiss all the evidence, you can have some excuse for discounting it, but dismissing the evidence shared and then claiming ‘there is no evidence’ is fallacious.
If people are bound and determined not to be convinced, then there is no evidence that will be sufficient proof for them. So be it. You can lead a horse to water ...
I understand why you argue so vociferously in defense of Obama’s eligibility. You honestly don’t know the definition of the word “evidence”.
Proceeding from that basic mis-understood, it’s easy to see why you feel that this case is closed.
Obama’s original long form birth certificate is the root document that will prove, or disprove his claim of US citizenship. Statements by government bureaucrats attesting to having seen that document are not in themselves, evidence. Only the document itself is actual evidence.
You can argue all you like that the jpeg image of his alleged COLB is “evidence” of his US citizenship, but it is only a short form abstract that doesn’t measure up to the legal requirements for hard evidence.
First of all, if it’s so real and indisputable, he should have had it inspected by competent, expert document examiners from the moment he produced it. Instead, what we have is the “word” of a select few individuals from a proven Obama ally organization who “swear” that what they inspected and photographed is the real thing.
If you accept that, then your standard for evidence is sub-standard. FactCheck.org is in no way qualified to make judgments on what they saw, and the photographs they took only add to the suspicion of fraud because they clearly don’t match the jpeg image of the COLB that is reported to be one and the same document.
Everything presented by the anti-birther side thus far has failed to meet the legal standard of solid evidence, yet they persist in trying to convince the rest of the public that it does.
Understand this. Whether you accept this sub-standard “evidence” or not, is immaterial to the controversy at large. It will not go away because some people are easily duped, and are willing to go on the warpath to defend Obama.
The number of people who are seeing the obvious inconsistencies and transparent obfuscation from the Obama camp is growing. This thing is gaining traction and getting bigger and bigger because of everything I’ve told you.
Whether you like it or not, a growing number of Americans will continue to demand that Obama put an end to this by releasing his personal documents. He will eventually either come clean with the public, or he will resign because of the pressure against him to do so. That is the ultimate outcome of this controversy, and nothing can stop it.
