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The fatal flaw with radioactive dating methods
CMI ^ | July 30, 2009 | Tas Walker, Ph.D.

Posted on 07/30/2009 10:42:38 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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To: Filo

“I’ve read it cover to cover several times.

Now what”?

Well it appears you need some help, I did, and still do. After all, you didn’t pick up science books for the very first time and understand them.

I’d suggest perhaps a Christ centered program.

You should understand the scriptures, as I said, moves one outside their comfort level.

Prepare to be challenged outside your own understanding!


201 posted on 08/04/2009 7:46:03 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Filo; tpanther
I've read it cover to cover several times. Now what?

Challenge God. Dare Him to prove Himself real to you.

But be prepared for the consequences. Don't do it unless you really mean it and have the intention of acting on it should you be convinced.

202 posted on 08/04/2009 7:51:58 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Filo

“I’ve read it cover to cover several times.

Now what”?

Well it appears you need some help, I did, and still do. After all, you didn’t pick up science books for the very first time and understand them.

I’d suggest perhaps a Christ centered program.

You should understand the scriptures, as I said, moves one outside their comfort level.

Prepare to be challenged outside your own understanding!


203 posted on 08/04/2009 8:05:40 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Filo

Great job, I see you came to the same conclusion virtually everyone else did: you’re an angry 13 year old, rather you responded or not.

Well, I’ll give you that you did have that 1-2% of the 11-12 year old age group to impress.

2 thumbs up!

You should take a shot at learning English. It makes reading your ad hominems easier if you have some semblance of literacy.

Of course, you’ll still sound like an idiot and you’ll still be wrong, but at least you’ll have grammar and spelling on your side.


Oh wait...you misunderstand, you see, you lost: game, set and match several HOURS ago now. Your work is finished here!

There’s no “fool’s bank” if that’s what you’re trying to accomplish here.


204 posted on 08/04/2009 8:09:26 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Kozak

yup...something smells all right, but it’s not your apron!


205 posted on 08/04/2009 8:14:13 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom
Why be proud of your behavior being more Christian than others when you consider Christianity and the Bible to be fairy tales?

Because most Christians are hypocrites.
206 posted on 08/04/2009 8:17:52 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: tpanther

Yeah, it’s the entire cretin swamp that has that o-deer....


207 posted on 08/04/2009 8:19:15 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: Filo
"Because most Christians are hypocrites. "

Unlike most atheists?

With the leading influential atheists in the history of the world having names like Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Tse-tung, Ho Chi Minh, Kim Il Sung, Fidel Castro,....

...how come the atheist organizations haven't yet apologized for the atheist slaughter of more innocents in one century than all the religious people since the beginning of time?

208 posted on 08/04/2009 8:26:38 AM PDT by cookcounty
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; <1/1,000,000th%
Why do you think a simple reiteration of the evolutionist cosmogonic myth that doesn't interact with any criticisms will be convincing?

With all due respect, I don't think you have read the paper he supplied. It is admittedly rare to see a source posted on FR that directly refutes another's claim, but this is one example. The paper posted is directly on point with regards to the central question, "How can scientists know what the original amount of a given radioactive element was, so they can then calculate its age given the half-life?"

This problem and its solution is described in the paper you so flippantly dismissed. Read starting from page 4 here.

209 posted on 08/04/2009 8:59:17 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: tpanther
Well it appears you need some help, I did, and still do. After all, you didn’t pick up science books for the very first time and understand them.

Actually, for the most part, I did.

That's because science, and the texts, are intelligible and internally consistent.

The Bible is none of that.

It is a compilation of oral histories written down and copied, manually, over and over again. Translated from language to language, etc.

While there was a factual basis for this at one time, it's long been muddied by human fallibility. While there are certainly some good rules therein, the concept of a creator isn't needed to follow them.

The rest is just primitive ignorance propagated forward.
210 posted on 08/04/2009 9:09:03 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: cookcounty
Unlike most atheists?

With the leading influential atheists in the history of the world having names like Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Tse-tung, Ho Chi Minh, Kim Il Sung, Fidel Castro,....


And how was any of that hypocritical?

...how come the atheist organizations haven't yet apologized for the atheist slaughter of more innocents in one century than all the religious people since the beginning of time?

Except for the fact that these killings were not done in the name of religion (unless you consider socialism a religion. . . to me it's comparable to Christianity, Islam, etc.) or atheism. . .
211 posted on 08/04/2009 9:14:09 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: FourtySeven
With all due respect, I don't think you have read the paper he supplied.

I did read the page, and in fact was familiar with its arguments prior to seeing it anywise. And yes, I did disregard it because it does nothing but engage in a slightly more complicated argument by handwaving, without really interacting with the root premise of the argument it is challenging.

212 posted on 08/04/2009 10:10:46 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Uh oh, GGG, be prepared to be attacked as unscientific by a bunch of people who don’t have science degrees.

Duh. As if my science degreeS have had any bearing whatsoever on GGG's opinion of me! If we do have a science degree, then we've been "brainwashed by liberal science!" I guess creationists CAN have their cake and eat it too.
213 posted on 08/04/2009 10:33:23 AM PDT by whattajoke (.)
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To: Filo; metmom

“I’d prefer not to spend my time and my life “serving” a fictional character.”

Are you a gambler? You must be a gambler! You see, if you look at the simple averages of you happening without some sort of design or purpose then it’s more likely you are the one that is fictional; not God. I guess you increase your chances of being if you’re a single-celled organism, but then I suppose we wouldn’t be having this conversation now would we...

But if you want to roll those dice then the law of averages suggests you’re the one more likely to wind up in the lake of fire than I would wind up rotting in the non-existent afterlife. I’ll take my chances, you take yours.

“I can learn all you mentioned and more (and I’m quite certain that I am far more of a Christian - by behavior - than most ‘thumpers) without deluding myself.”

Tut, tut... you can’t be a Christian without accepting the premise of Christ (Who he said He was): that He is the Son of God and that he is not just “a” way, but the “only” way to heaven. You can emulate righteous behavior but it means little, and certainly doesn’t mean you’re a Christian. Without faith, what you do doesn’t amount to squat.

By the way, if you meant to shock me with your little “fictional character” thing I’ve been around a little too long for that. I’ll let you know who God is (to the best of my ability and knowledge), but you’re just as welcome to trample the Word and believe what you like. I’m only responsible for bringing the medicine. If you want to take the pill you’ll have to shove it down on your own.


214 posted on 08/04/2009 7:11:48 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: Filo
I am far more of a Christian

But you also said Christians are hypocrites. Are you far more of a hypocrite?

- by behavior - than most 'thumpers

Behaviorally, you're just another raving atheist. So, tell us why you think you are far better than most Christians.

215 posted on 08/04/2009 7:15:21 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

“So, tell us why you think you are far better than most Christians.”

Yes, yes and yes... I left out a couple of points in my reply to filo.

Gracias, Amigo.

GG


216 posted on 08/04/2009 7:45:34 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: Filo
If you need some divine power to give your life meaning then that's your prerogative.

What is it that gives meaning to YOUR life Filo?

217 posted on 08/05/2009 9:40:30 AM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: betty boop
What is it that gives meaning to YOUR life Filo?

Why does that matter and how does it advance the conversation?

My wife, my kids, the rest of my family, my work, my hobbies and more give my life meaning, but it's not the same meaning that people invent with their creation of a God*.
218 posted on 08/05/2009 9:56:43 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Filo

Well then, good luck with your life!


219 posted on 08/05/2009 10:11:29 AM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: FourtySeven

Thank you for your support sir.


220 posted on 08/05/2009 10:16:34 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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