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To: leilani

He could completely remake the US system & our very way of life while we’re all obsessing about long form BC’s
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I disagree - I don’t obsess on this topic. But I think it’s legit - as opposed to Coulter and the National Review (which didn’t fact check their own article.)

I’m also VERY active in opposing socialism on all the other fronts...

I think having this issue alive, casts doubts on the transparency of Obama, and his idealistic followers are forced to defend that, instead of promoting his agenda. If you ask me, we are actually using their dumb Alinsky rulebook, in reverse...if you ask me.

I’m open to hearing another side of this.


232 posted on 07/28/2009 7:34:26 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country & the Tea Party! Take America Back! (Objective media? Try BIGOTS.))
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To: SeattleBruce
Sorry this is late - I only just saw the ping after going back down the page a second ago.

I think having this issue alive, casts doubts on the transparency of Obama, and his idealistic followers are forced to defend that, instead of promoting his agenda. If you ask me, we are actually using their dumb Alinsky rulebook, in reverse...if you ask me.

This is a good point: i.e., that the BC controversy underscores what is indisputably BHO's truly bizarre proclivity for obsessive secrecy about himself, helps create a background buzz which in turn can drive public doubts about who this man really is & undercut his personal support.

This is surely true and I think having the issue out there in the background could help on some level.

But what I've begun to realize is that, like it or not & possibly due to its very peculiar nature, actively agitating on & publicly promoting this particular issue actually hurts the conservative cause more than it helps it - at this moment. (I can however actually imagine a time under certain circumstances where it might help - it's just not now.)

The BC issue - such as it is considered erroneously by most people as arcane & irrelevant & such as it's easily portrayed by the BHO-loving media as a wacky-fringey-righty scam - is not only a clunker, it's a real turn-off for most of the American people whose support we need in rejecting this WH's liberal-fascistic & anti-American agenda NOW!

It doesn't help that many of the people promoting it the most vocally are on the questionable fringes (both on the left & right, btw.) giving the media the opportunity to put the issue in the worst light.

Not that it matters, but my intuition is that Barack Obama was indeed born in Hawaii to an American mother, but either the BC has something else embarrassing on it which doesn't jibe with the narrative he's already put out there, or concealing it just helps him too much right now by letting him paint all of his opposition on health care, Israel, spending, taxes, abortion et al ad infinitum as petty & strange, frankly.

That's not what I think - I don't think that officeholders should be exempt from satisfying the requirements of their office any more than I am exempt from producing my birth certificate to attend university or get a passport. And I think that POTUS' clever manipulation of the BC controversy has exposed a serious flaw in our system in that there is no formally defined mechanism to determine whether or not candidates for & the winners of that office satisfy all the constitutional requirements. That's outrageous & needs to be changed, clearly!

But those of us clinging to the fantasy that we can get this guy thrown out of office on a technicality are way off-base. By the time he can even be served with papers to be forced to produce proof he has satisfied the requirement, the un-Godly damage he intends to do to this country will already have been done. And it will have been achieved with the gullible help of those Americans who are at this very moment being manipulated by the WH & their friends in the media to take offense at the suggestion this POTUS is ineligible & who would be inclined to give him a pass on his agenda just out of revulsion for conservatives who are being (unfairly) painted as mean ol' racist bullies for even suggesting such a ridiculous (to them) absurdity.

In other words, it's a legitimate issue to a certain extent, but it's also unfortunately one which, strategically speaking, just happens to work directly against the conservative cause - indeed against the American cause - because the WH can play it so deviously in their own favor. At the moment, at least.

392 posted on 07/28/2009 5:40:12 PM PDT by leilani (Tagline? What tagline?)
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