Not really.
Posted on 07/20/2009 12:29:21 PM PDT by Kartographer
When it comes to family trees, the Mormons are the experts.
So does Obama need to be paying out some reparations?
Think that they might have a long form BC in there somewhere?
I was hoping for the church to do 67 marker DNA tests for Barry and all his ancestors. (/s)
I suspect the call came in from Harry Reid...
I hope LDS keeps the original in a safe somewhere.
with over 17 Million entries.
Screw you, asshole.
You had better go back and look who started that personal BS first.
Kind of hard to do a genealogy without knowing where Obama was born.
Don’t ask me. I’m from Hulbert, near Tahlequah.
Just kidding. The Vagueness I refer to is a joke. The other poster had you pegged a Mormon basher. Personally, and I ain’t no genius, I did not see that in your post.
The /s is a tag to let you know my post has sarcasm in it so as not to offend and maybe cause a laugh or smile.
I presume you are in OK by your handle. Where are you from?
Not really.
Wouldn't be surprised if White Evangelicals (Cromwell's Children) would be higher than the rest, however.
It is difficult to select out Mormons perfectly because they are such a tiny number of voters.
What is it? XYZ's genealogy?
There are certain key marker people in genealogical lines which, through oral or Biblical histories can trace back to Adam and Eve. One of them is Tegid, an early 4th century man who many consider the father of the Irish race.
One of Tegid's ancestors is Herod, the scumbag who ruled Judea when Jesus was born. While I have no reason to doubt the ancestry of Jesus or Herod because they are recorded in the Bible and the Bible is the word of God, the links between Tegid and Herod, even though a mere 300 years or so, are tenuous at best.
There is really no written record (such as the Bible) to document those links. Tegid, because he was big, strong and Irish more or less was able to claim those links because he was strong, well-organized and able to proclaim himself an early prince in Ireland based on his genealogy. Since there were few people who could read, write or document and fewer still who wanted to risk their lives to call Tegid a liar, we merely presume his claim is correct.
On the other hand, by the time we get to the genealogies of some of the early colonial settlers in America, their links to British royalty, particularly the Plantagenet family line, are much better documented. Those familiar with English history know that the Plantagenet family lost their claim to the English throne when Richard III was slain at Bosworth Field by Henry VII, the first of the Tudor line, who were Welsh cousins of the Plantagenet's.
My own theory is that with the loss of royal title and privilege to the Tudors, many of the Plantagenet's turned to religion over the next century and a half or so and thus produced so many of the early American colonists.
Not really. We know who his mother was and the wargs people have done a fairly extensive documentation of his mother's line right here.
His father's line becomes a problem not because we don't know where ObaMao was born, but because the documentation on his father's line pretty much peters out into an oral patriarchal line after a few generations. We actually know more about Tegid's ancestry (see my previous post, though some of it may be fanciful) than we know about Obama's grandfather's ancestry.
People who have German, Jewish or British Isles ancestry can consider themselves lucky because these groups were good at keeping records. On the other hand, those whose genealogy relied on tribal oral traditions, though they may be correct insofar as they go, are left out in the cold by comparison. DNA testing can be useful here, but is rather limited insofar as it only shows group relationships and not lineal relationships.
For example, your DNA and some other person's DNA may commonly trace to a certain area of modern day Turkey, but it won't show how you are related, only that you are. Incidentally, Turkey is one of the most common areas for DNA origin. I do not consider it a coincidence-- I consider it as proof of the Biblical account of the great flood and the landing of Noah's Ark atop Mt. Ararat. The athesist/agnostic crowd has yet to provide a logical alternative explanation!
These typically produce Democrat voter percentages in presidential elections from the mid single digits to the mid teens, equal to or slightly larger margins than even the white evangelicals we often consider to be Cromwell's children, the same group which produced such a large number of the early Mormon converts.
This is exactly why these two groups should be cooperating closely politically and put the religions differences on the back burner.
You can’t just pick out a couple of super Mormon counties and say that they represent the Mormon vote nationally.
The question is how do Mormons vote, not Utah Mormons.
When we count white Evangelicals we mean all of them regardless of what kind of culture they live in we don’t go to a hard core conservative nest somewhere and extrapolate from there.
I would rather doubt that you'd see pronounced differences between white evangelicals between, say, Iowa and South Carolina and the data seems to bear this out.
Certainly, you are going to get some differences based on the prevailing culture in that environment, but it is going to be more along the lines that California Mormons drink Pepsi and decaffinated coffee, which Utah Mormons shun. Not that the California variety are pro-gay marriage and the Utah variety aren't.
I'm not sure of the concentration of Mormons in the Rocky Mountain belt versus nationally. I know it is a lot less concentrated than they once were, but I still would bet you have well over 50% of the national population in 5 or 6 states in the west. Do you have any reliable data to indicate otherwise?
At this point I already have enough information on Mormon voting, if someone wants to show some other polls about national voting by Mormons then I would like to see them.
Very nice.....
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