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Past warming shows gaps in climate knowledge - study
Reuters ^ | Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:19pm IST | David Fogarty, Climate Change Correspondent, Asia

Posted on 07/15/2009 8:35:45 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - A dramatic warming of the planet 55 million years ago cannot be solely explained by a surge in carbon dioxide levels, a study shows, highlighting gaps in scientists' understanding of impacts from rapid climate change.

During an event called the Palaeocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, global temperatures rose between 5 and 9 degrees Celsius within several thousand years. The world at that time was already warmer than now with no surface ice.

"We now believe that the CO2 did not cause all the warming, that there were additional factors," said Richard Zeebe, an oceanographer with the University of Hawaii at Manoa.

"There may have been an initial trigger," he told Reuters on Wednesday from Hawaii. This could be a deep ocean warming that caused a catastrophic release of methane from hydrate deposits under the seabed.

Methane is a potent greenhouse gas but much of it is oxidised into CO2 when it is released from hydrate deposits.

Zeebe and his colleagues estimated the amount of CO2 released during the Palaeocene-Eocene event by studying sediment cores from seabeds around the globe. Their study is published in the latest issue of Nature Geoscience.

FUTURE WARMING 

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; climatechange; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax

1 posted on 07/15/2009 8:35:45 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: SunkenCiv; xcamel
Must have been a catastrophe when the ice sheets melted.
2 posted on 07/15/2009 8:37:19 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: enough_idiocy; Desdemona; rdl6989; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; Normandy; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

3 posted on 07/15/2009 8:39:57 AM PDT by steelyourfaith ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money" - Lady Thatcher)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Here in northern WV we set an all-time record low temperature yesterday temperature of 52 degrees (acccording to AccuWeather).
4 posted on 07/15/2009 8:45:49 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"We now believe that the CO2 did not cause all the warming

Did not cause all of it? Then if it caused some of it, what was the source of the CO2 at that time? Just what were the dinosaurs manufacturing and driving at that time?

5 posted on 07/15/2009 8:46:28 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
A dramatic warming of the planet 55 million years ago cannot be solely explained by a surge in carbon dioxide levels, a study shows, highlighting gaps in scientists' understanding of impacts from rapid climate change.

BS!!!! The warming 55 million years ago was caused by dinosaurs driving SUVs, EVERYONE knows that!!!!



/sarc (for those who aren't sure)

6 posted on 07/15/2009 8:52:51 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Heretics! Blasphemers! Don’t you care about Mother Earth? /s


7 posted on 07/15/2009 8:53:03 AM PDT by THX 1138 ("Harry, I have a gift.")
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To: MEGoody

The CO2 then was from an advanced civilization who mass produced SUVs, lawnmowers, airplanes, and breathed and flatulated, and worshiped their equivalent of Gore. Apparantly, they advanced so much, with so much CO2 output, they warmed the planet to their complete destruction [and, in that case, complete obliteration of their remains]. We’re just repeating the cycle!


8 posted on 07/15/2009 8:53:59 AM PDT by C210N (A patriot for a Conservative Renaissance!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

you bunch of DUmmies. the dinosuars died out 10M yrs before this warming period (lack of universal health care was the cause I’ve heard).

It was giant tree sloths driving giant Hummers 55M years ago


9 posted on 07/15/2009 8:58:41 AM PDT by jbp1 (be nice now)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; ...
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Their dates are off... it was the Deccan Traps (Indian subcontinent)
10 posted on 07/15/2009 9:02:07 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: MEGoody
“Did not cause all of it? Then if it caused some of it, what was the source of the CO2 at that time? Just what were the dinosaurs manufacturing and driving at that time?”

Really big ass-ed SUV’s

11 posted on 07/15/2009 9:14:26 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
We now believe that the CO2 did not cause all the warming, that there were additional factors," said Richard Zeebe, an oceanographer with the University of Hawaii at Manoa.

CO2 not the only cause??? Denier! Our climate is controlled by CO2 alone! Get a rope!

12 posted on 07/15/2009 9:32:49 AM PDT by colorado tanker ("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
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from the end of the Eocene:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2215750/posts
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/280/5367/1250


13 posted on 07/15/2009 9:59:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Theory of Periodic Mass Extinctions
Frank R. Ettensohn
Why has interest in this hypothesis subsided? There are two reasons. First, there are statistical questions about extinction rates that just cannot be answered. It is not clear whether other hypotheses can fit the empirical data as well as does the hypothesis of periodicity. The distribution of extinction events in time is certainly not random, but there is more than one way to analyze the data. Does the fact that the data appear to fit well to a model of periodicity mean that the events truly are periodic? This question was debated throughout the late 1980s without reaching a resolution.

The second reason for the loss of interest is one not uncommon to science: Here is an intriguing observation that no one knows how to explain. Researchers formulated a number of very interesting astronomical hypotheses to account for the 26-million-year periodicity of extinction. The most famous of these was the Nemesis, or 'death star,' hypothesis, which stated that the sun has a distant companion whose highly elliptical orbit brings it into the Oort Cloud (a swarm of frozen comets orbiting far from the sun) once every 26 million years. During each pass through the Oort Cloud, the companion's gravity would scatter huge numbers of comets, some of which would crash into Earth. The environmental damage caused by these impacts would lead to an elevated rate of extinctions.

14 posted on 07/15/2009 9:59:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; ...
Thanks Ernest_at_the_Beach.
 
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15 posted on 07/15/2009 10:00:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

None of the earth’s past dramatic warning periods can be explained by CO2 levels.

This was clear back in the 1950’s.


16 posted on 07/15/2009 10:03:15 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: SunkenCiv
Researchers formulated a number of very interesting astronomical hypotheses to account for the 26-million-year periodicity of extinction.

OK. It makes for some very interesting science fiction but just what in the hell does it have to do with the price of tea in China? Answer: It has absolutely nothing to do with either the price of tea or real science.

17 posted on 07/15/2009 10:43:54 AM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“Gee whiz, I just can’t think of what might have caused past global warming” he said as he shielded his eyes from a very bright July sun.


18 posted on 07/15/2009 11:12:33 AM PDT by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; xcamel; steelyourfaith
So, it warmed the oceans, and that caused a release of "greenhouse gasses" that somehow caused the warming?

I believe I have found the mechanism that allows the CO^2 & CH^4 to retroactively warm the planet.

thiotimoline is notable for the fact that when it is mixed with water, the chemical actually begins to break down before it contacts the water. This is explained by the fact that in the thiotimoline molecule, there is at least one carbon atom such that, while two of the carbon's four chemical bonds lie in normal space and time, one of the bonds projects into the future and another into the past. Thiotimoline is derived from the bark of the shrub Rosacea Karlsbadensis rufo, ... Thiotimoline

The undersea methane deposits were derived from thiotimoline rich plant materials that became inundated by catastrophic sea level rises. As the thiotimoline dissolved before the water hits it, it required that the warming occur in order to melt the ice, in order to flood the thiotimoline bearing plant materials.

That allowed the release of the gasses, with a small, but significant in the aggregate, amount of the thiotimoline's carbon isomer to form CO^2, so the fact that atmospheric CO^2 levels lag warming by about 800 years is now explained.

This same phenomenon also helps explain how the government ends up with your taxes in its pocket BEFORE you even pay them.

19 posted on 07/15/2009 1:10:06 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The mob got President Barabbas; America got shafted)
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