>> “Again, your scenarios do not interest me. Also, you could at leats pick somethig relevant. Ghengis Khan died in the 1220s or so. He started out as a onqueror. That’s not exactly an elected or even appointed office.”
OK Let’s take a more recent (if shopworn) example: Adolf Hitler. Duly elected bad guy. Did he stop being a ruthless murderer due to the principle of subsidiarity? Did he ever heed any admonition from the Pope?
I am not attacking the Pope, or Catholics. I am saying that this call for a “World Authority,” and imagining that any such authority would be subject to ANY principle completely ignores human nature.
Period.
If you want to go beyond that (with me) bring it on.
DG
Really? Which election was that?
You wrote:
“OK Let’s take a more recent (if shopworn) example: Adolf Hitler. Duly elected bad guy.”
No. He was appointed by the German president. He was not elected as chancellor. He was appointed and then given supreme powers legally through the German Reichstag. He was not elected to more than the typical parliamentary office.
“Did he stop being a ruthless murderer due to the principle of subsidiarity?”
So you’re denying the value of subsidiarity by pointing pout a ruthless dictator who denied it? That’s like saying babies’ lives must be worthless because abortionists deny that they have worth. If you were smart, just play along for a minute, you would have realized that Germany was a state with no history of subsidiarity in politics. If Germany had been thorouhly embued with subsidiarity would Hitler have ever come to power? No. Subsidiarity as a principle would deny centralization which was essential to the Nazis. But, of course, this reality is al lost on you.
“Did he ever heed any admonition from the Pope?”
Nope. Do yo? Apparently not.
“I am not attacking the Pope, or Catholics. I am saying that this call for a “World Authority,” and imagining that any such authority would be subject to ANY principle completely ignores human nature.”
So we should then abandon principles because human nature often fights against them?
“Period.”
Again, should we then abandon principles because human nature often fights against them?
“If you want to go beyond that (with me) bring it on.”
You’ve already lost. We must support principles or else we lose what it means to be human no matter what the flaws of human nature.
Well said.