Posted on 07/06/2009 8:50:37 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Guess: warm climate and LOTS of available food.
Sooooo.....why then are there not modern animals buried WITH the dinosaurs in the same exact fossil record? Thered should be cows right there with dinosaurs....elephants?....dogs?....if they all died during the Flood they should all be there.
Lack of predators and continued growth with age, undiscovered lung aids through evolution and forced locomotion by food distribution; still, there’s that pesky problem of mechanics and blood pumping up those long necks required to reach very tall trees.
Elevated atmospheric pressure?
Maybe they simply followed the savanna along the shoreline where the soil was super-efficient at leaching the salt from the intruding ocean underground and in so doing they were constantly at sea level where the ATM was highest.
The O2 levels needed to be at least 21% to prevent lethargy, I would think.
Another question is would there have been mountains where small game could thrive and then foolishly wander to the hunting grounds of the few meat-eaters?
A few reasons come to mind. 1. Relative agility 2. Relative intelligence 3. Segregation of species 4. Majority of fossil record is invertebrate 5. Bias toward one viewpoint 6. Censoring "inconvenient" data
1) Relative agility. Cows are more agile than, say, the Utahraptor....the 20 foot version of the velociraptor? OK.....since I cannot do any speed and agility trials with dinosaurs, I'll concede the point that cows are more agile than dinosaurs. What's that ACTUALLY mean to the point? Nothing. There would STILL BE millions of current land animals that would've died at the same time as the dinosaurs....in the same flood as the dinosaurs....and would've been potentially fossilized with the dinosaurs......yet we find no fossilized humans or land animals of the current sort in the fossil record.
2) Relative intelligence. As with agility, intelligence would not have brought them to any less of a demise than the dinosaurs. Did not the Global Flood kill ALL remaining animals? I don't think a cow has the intellect to avoid the Flooding waters any more than a dinosaur would....but we know that all land animals not on the Ark died in the Flood because the Bible says so in Genesis 7:21 (And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man)........not ONE human fossil found....not ONE cattle fossil found.
3) Segregation of species. That's an interesting one.....but there is no reason to believe that ANY of the species self-segregated away from Man and ALL of the rest of the current land dwelling animals. Even better, large land-dwelling dinosaur fossils are found on ALL inhabited continents........even the Biblical places have dinosaur fossils......yet no Man or other current land animal fossils with them.....ANYWHERE.
4) Majority of fossil record is invertebrate. Ummmmm....we're not talking ancient mollusks and squid....or even vertebrate fish...of COURSE the majority of fossils are invertebrates, invertebrates have been around much longer and in higher numbers and in better conditions to fossilize....but we're talking land-dwelling dinosaurs that would've died during the Flood with the humans and other animals that were not on the Ark. This invertebrate fact is conceded but does not answer why no humans or other current animals were not fossilized with the dinosaurs killed by the Flood.
5) Bias toward one viewpoint. This is, of course, a problem in the science world.....particularly when politics get involved. BUT, do you really think that a fossilized human would be done away with through "bias"? The scientific find of the new millenium would be swept under the rug? That's one helluva dangerous world vision.
6) Censoring "inconvenient" data. That is ALSO a problem in the science world, especially when research funding is involved. BUT, do you really think that a fossilized human would be censored away? COULD be censored away?
So....what YEC must rely on in is unsubstantiated cheating and censorship? Even global warming alarmists are not able to censor the data. They twist, manipulate, and report their bogus conclusions on the data, but the data is still available in the raw unspun form for anyone to see.
You are free to believe any interpretation of the data you would like but to say there is no manipulation, censorship or bias in reading the data is testament to the level and depth of the manipulation, censorship and bias. Both sides, evolution and creation, have to interpret data with “just so” story telling to fill in the gaps because nobody was there to witness how that data came to be.
Could I be grossly incorrect? Of course I can, I'm only human. Could the evolutionary model be grossly incorrect? Of course it can, it was thought up by humans.
There is no “interpretation of data” going on as there is no “data” to “interpret.” There are either cows and humans in the same fossil record as dinosaurs.......or there are not. Thus far, no human or cow fossils have been found.....ANYWHERE....not in the dinosaur fossil record....not in ANY fossil record. I find it strange that not one has been found, yet they all died in the same Flood.
Of course, that leaves open the conspiracy theory that some government agency put the kibosh on any findings of human/cow fossils...........but then one could make up whatever one wants and always have the backup claim of an all-squashing government.
Are you telling me there are no fossils of humans or cattle (or other more “modern” animals)? At all? Or do you require them to be right next to the T-rex? What is the acceptable distance they may be apart to be considered during the same time? Or will some other interpretation be given for the data found?
The data is there, if you wish to see it.
There is no government conspiracty needed to suppress this type of data, nor the interpretation of it.
There are no human fossils in the dinosaur fossil record. No cow fossils either. I don’t mean to sound as if there are no human fossils “at all”....as there are....they go back 4 million or so years.....and none of them were found in the dinosaur record.
If they ALL died at the exact same time as the claim mandates, they should all have been fossilized at the same time in the same strata of earth. Yet, we find......in Biblical places where humans and cattle definately lived.....dinosaur fossils... but not one human fossil in the same strata or anywhere near the same strata (lateral distance is irrelevant).......and they have these fancy machines that have penetrating radar to detect fossils......and not one has turned up a human in the dinosaur record.
Of course, one could not believe that moving downward in strata brings you to older and older fossils.....but one can believe or not believe anything one wants.
There is no “data” needing interpretation....only “discoveries”.....and there have been exactly zero discoveries of human fossils found in strata that contain dinosaurs.
http://www.bearfabrique.org/Catastrophism/sauropods/biganims.html
Attenuated gravity seems the most plausible idea.
There has to be a story to explain either viewpoint. For the evolutionist, there must be a story to explain the lack of countless thousands of transitional fossils in between the “human” strata and the “dino” strata. For the creationist, there must be a story to explain the difference in strata between the human fossil record and the dino fossil record. Of course this is an oversimplification and barely touches the surface (snork) of the issues.
I am still very open to the possibility that my thought process is way off base which is why I enjoy these debates. However, I do not see enough evidence that convinces me that my ancestors were mumbling, bumbling one-celled creatures 4.5billion years ago (or a ball of gas 5.2billion years ago).
“There are no human fossils in the dinosaur fossil record. No cow fossils either.” [excerpt]That statement cannot be [humanly speaking] falsified, and is therefor a statement of faith.
Wow. All this time I thought it was the Jews who came up with the creation story. And all this time I thought Christ was more interested in morality not creation. I sure the Jews will be happy to hear themselves described as "other religion" and that they follow not the true God. Do you know what Creationism is doing to your mind?
Just saw your post. Check out this site. I don't know about the legitimacy of "all" the contents but it is worth a gander. http://s8int.com/dinolit1.html There seems to be many ancient peoples that depicted what "may" be labelled today as dinosaurs but you be the judge.
Click on the link on the left in that website called "Dinosaurs in literature, art and history"
Hey cool. I was hoping somebody would jump on the discussion who held this viewpoint. I'd like to get some clarity as to why you believe as you do regarding the flood. Are you interested in a discussion along these lines?
Not really, as people’s opinions are so entrenched, discussion has little value. I would really prefer that none of these discussions occur on FreeRepublic, as it has little to do with Conservative politics.
Thank you, though.
Fair enough. Have a good ‘un.
Check out this site also for an interesting read. Of course with all these “tales”, they may be embellished from the original version but...still, the stories exist.
http://www.hanger18.zoomshare.com/9.html
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