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McCarthyite attempt to keep "hate groups" out of military
24AheadDotCom ^ | 7/5/09 | self

Posted on 07/05/2009 12:23:39 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com

Alcee Hastings has offered an amendment that would keep "hate groups" out of the military. The Attorney General would get to define what a "hate group" is, and it wouldn't just include those who are violent but "extremists" who are "engaged in online discussion groups or blog or other postings".

(Excerpt) Read more at 24ahead.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 111th; alceehastings; bhodod; bhodoj; hategroups
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1 posted on 07/05/2009 12:23:39 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

Would that include freerepublic?


2 posted on 07/05/2009 12:27:51 PM PDT by Corinthian Warrior
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
I would have to reread the Constitution again, but I'm pretty sure that there's no First Ammendment exceptions for "hate speech", whatever that may be.

The second we allow bureaucrats to start judging what is or is not proper speech, either public or private, we have lost the Republic. We might as well begin to refresh the tree of liberty with a little blood, to borrow a sentiment from Jefferson.

3 posted on 07/05/2009 12:28:17 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

They are afraid. People pass laws against that which they fear. Alcee and his ilk are sending a clear signal regarding their fears.


4 posted on 07/05/2009 12:30:08 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

You use McCarthy as if it were a bad word.


5 posted on 07/05/2009 12:31:12 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Are you in a union job? I'm sorry to hear that.)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

So members of Jeremiah Wright’s church would be banned from the military then, right?


8 posted on 07/05/2009 12:35:57 PM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
Take First Amendment rights away from those who put their lives on the line everyday to defend them.

Sounds like something a disgraced and impeached former 'RAT "judge" would do.

9 posted on 07/05/2009 12:37:26 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey America! How's that "hope and change" thing working out?)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

These people are outright seeking a totalitarian regime. This cannot be tolerated and they are crossing a line where a Republic needs to take action from wannabe tyrants like this. They think they will keep the public ignorant, but they need to be confronted and in the harshest terms possible. We need Republicans in Congress to turn up the heat on these items and use the proper language in identifying this because there is no civility with enemies like this.


10 posted on 07/05/2009 12:39:47 PM PDT by bushfamfan (United States of America: July 4, 1776-November 4, 2008)
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To: Corinthian Warrior

No, but it would (and should) include muslims.


11 posted on 07/05/2009 12:40:59 PM PDT by 353FMG (Death is Life without Freedom.)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
In other words, they want to create a military
that will use arms against the citizens of this country.

We're not all that far from a dictatorship ...

12 posted on 07/05/2009 12:46:09 PM PDT by spartan68
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Alcee and his ilk are sending a clear signal regarding their fears.

Good. Alcee is a disgrace to the Congress, as a former federal judge he was impeached for corruption and convicted in a Senate tril and removed from the bench. That doesn't happen to often. To has a scum-sucking worm like him fearing the strength of the true words of the men of the right (whom this is surely aimed at) is a badge of honor! Legislate away, you pathetic weasel!

13 posted on 07/05/2009 12:47:51 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: bushfamfan
Statement: "These people are outright seeking a totalitarian regime."

Response: Agreed. They mean to rule.

14 posted on 07/05/2009 12:49:03 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Bahbah

“So members of Jeremiah Wright’s church would be banned from the military then, right?”

I’m afraid it’s just the opposite. The Libtards (Demonrats) (Demwits) (Dimbulbs) have things backwards and upside down. Hate is love and love is hate. Got that?


15 posted on 07/05/2009 12:51:05 PM PDT by RoadTest (I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John 14:6)
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To: Jack Black

I agree he is a disgrace. What does that say about those who elected him?


16 posted on 07/05/2009 12:51:05 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
WIKIPEDIA:

[... In 1981, (FEDERAL JUDGE)Hastings was charged with accepting a $150,000 bribe in exchange for a lenient sentence and a return of seized assets for 21 counts of racketeering by Frank and Thomas Romano, and of perjury in his testimony about the case. He was acquitted by a jury after his alleged co-conspirator, William Borders, refused to testify in court. . .In 1988, the Democratic-controlled U.S. House of Representatives took up the case, and Hastings was impeached for bribery and perjury by a vote of 413-3. He was then convicted in 1989 by the United States Senate, becoming the sixth federal judge in the history of the United States to be removed from office by the Senate. The vote on the first article was 69 for and 26 opposed, providing five votes more than the two-thirds of those present that were needed to convict. The first article accused the judge of conspiracy. Conviction on any single article was enough to remove the judge from office. The Senate vote cut across party lines, with U.S. Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont voting to convict his fellow party member, and U.S. Senator Arlen Specter voting to acquit.[1]

The Senate had the option to forbid Hastings from ever seeking federal office again, but did not do so. Alleged co-conspirator, attorney William Borders went to jail again for refusing to testify in the impeachment proceedings, but was later given a full pardon by President Bill Clinton on his last day in office.[2]

Hastings filed suit in federal court claiming that his impeachment trial was invalid because he was tried by a Senate committee, not in front of the full Senate, and that he had been acquitted in a criminal trial. Judge Stanley Sporkin ruled in favor of Hastings, remanding the case back to the Senate, but stayed his ruling pending the outcome of an appeal to the Supreme Court in a similar case regarding Judge Walter Nixon, who had also been impeached and removed.[3]

Sporkin found some “crucial distinctions”[4] between Nixon's case and Hastings’, specifically, that Nixon had been convicted criminally, and that Hastings was not found guilty by two-thirds of the committee who actually “tried” his impeachment in the Senate. He further added that Hastings had a right to trial by the full Senate.

The Supreme Court, however, ruled in Nixon v. United States that the federal courts have no jurisdiction over Senate impeachment matters, so Sporkin’s ruling was vacated and Hastings’ conviction and removal were upheld. . .Hastings was elected to the United States House of Representatives in 1992, representing Florida's 23rd district.]

17 posted on 07/05/2009 12:53:26 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
"They are afraid. People pass laws against that which they fear. Alcee and his ilk are sending a clear signal regarding their fears."

Absolutely! America has zero to fear from the likes of us. The only ones who should fear conservatives (and are showing it) are the minions of the evil, illegitimate Marxist regime that is now usurping our White House and Congress.

..."against all enemies, foreign and domestic".

So sworn...

18 posted on 07/05/2009 12:55:19 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

My thoughts exactly. These motards keep sending these crooked idiots back to the Congress time after time. Says something about their electorate doesn’t it? :(


19 posted on 07/05/2009 12:58:08 PM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

That is already in the UCMJ. You can kick out members of hate groups.


20 posted on 07/05/2009 1:04:11 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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