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Defining Natural-Born Citizen
The Federalist Blog ^ | 11/18/2008 | P. A. Madison

Posted on 06/30/2009 9:32:47 AM PDT by wbones8765

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To: Blackacre

My Father was in the United States Army, My Mother was Japanese who received her citizenship, a year before I was born./Just Asking - seoul62.....


41 posted on 06/30/2009 11:46:40 AM PDT by seoul62
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To: seoul62
Me: Army Hospital Korea, 1962 - Both parents: American Citizens, I am a Natural Born Citizen, right?????/Just Asking - seoul62......

In 1962 I was sitting in a classroom on a US military base, being told that you, along with a substantial number of my Marine and Navy Brat classmates, are not Constitutionally qualified to be the president.

The "real" answer is (cue eerie creepy voice) no. one. knows...

42 posted on 06/30/2009 11:48:45 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 162 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: wbones8765; seoul62
Yes, same exemption as John McCain.

Source please?

The McCaskill bill never made it to law, it's only a 'sense of the senate'.

Let's side step into an alternate universe for a second.

Do you seriously think that the same people who when they lost insisted that the election was stolen, he was selected, not elected, he's not my president, etc. would have passively gone along with having a foreign born RINO in the White House?

We'd never hear the end of it!

43 posted on 06/30/2009 11:55:15 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 162 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Blackacre
Yes. Anyone born to two American citizens is a NBC. Location of birth is irrelevant in that situation.

Nope. If anyone in power really believed that Claire McCaskill wouldn't have felt compelled to introduce a bill to green-light McCain.

(And friends of 0bama wouldn't have felt the need to try to expand that to include 'any descendent of anyone who served in the US military').

44 posted on 06/30/2009 11:59:21 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 162 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: real_patriotic_american
According to our Constitution, Obama must be a natural born citizen to serve as President.

Of course.

Born in Kenya would not meet this criteria,

From what I've read, that's probably correct, given the fact that his father was not a US citizen and his mom may have been too young to pass on citizenship under the law at the time (but I could be wrong).

nor would changing to Indonesian citizenship as a child to school in Indonesia.

You can't "change" your American citizenship without approval from the US. Whether or not he was a citizen of Indonesia can't change his NBC status.

WHEN will we see his original birth certificate?

Never, unless hbe is ordered to present it by a court of competent jurisdiction, or unless some state requires such evidence for him to get on its ballot in 2012.

WHERE was he born in Hawaii if he weren’t born in Kenya?

A hospital in Honululu, AFAIK.

45 posted on 06/30/2009 12:02:49 PM PDT by Blackacre
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To: Beckwith
You know what that makes the usurper, don't you?

Yeah. A bastard. A politician who's a bastard? HORRORS!!!

Nobody cares, as long as he's an AMERICAN bastard.

46 posted on 06/30/2009 12:03:15 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 162 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Beckwith

Hebrews 7:3
Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.


47 posted on 06/30/2009 12:04:52 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 162 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: null and void
Nope. If anyone in power really believed that Claire McCaskill wouldn't have felt compelled to introduce a bill to green-light McCain.

I can't speak as to what McCaskill though he was doing with that bill.

48 posted on 06/30/2009 12:04:52 PM PDT by Blackacre
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To: null and void
Nope. If anyone in power really believed that Claire McCaskill wouldn't have felt compelled to introduce a bill to green-light McCain.

In the first place it wasn't a bill, it was a non-binding resolution - S.Res.511. In the second place, the resolution got the circumstances of McCain's birth wrong - he wasn't born on a military base - so it's basically worthless. It's saying McCain is eligible because of circumstances he didn't meet.

Link

49 posted on 06/30/2009 12:12:17 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: riverdawg; 2CAVTrooper
If he was born in Hawaii, he is “natural-born” even if both parents were Tanzanians. This issue has been beaten to near-death in many previous threads. The “search” button is your FRiend.

And yet it hasn't helped you one bit, since you ignore all the counter arguments to your statement.

50 posted on 06/30/2009 12:16:49 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: Blackacre
A hospital in Honululu, AFAIK.

Source please?

No hospital has stepped forward to claim the honor.

0bama has named two separate hospitals as his place of birth.

No Hawaiian official has ever said that the original birth certificate on file shows Hawaiian birth, only that the document is on file in accordance with Hawaii law.

Laws of the State of Hawaii explicitly allow a foreign born child to have an Hawaiian birth certificate showing Hawaii as the place of birth.

$10, $10, and 0bama can have a real certified copy of his BC mailed to any independent media outlet.

So far he's allowed his minions to waste pushing $1,000,000.00 to keep anyone from seeing his real records.

Smoke. Fire.

51 posted on 06/30/2009 12:16:58 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 162 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Beckwith

Occasionally, when in a rush one makes a mistake. Ever make one, or are you perfect? Oh, you must be perfect!!


52 posted on 06/30/2009 12:17:20 PM PDT by wbones8765 ("Give me liberty or give me death")
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To: Blackacre
The law you cited was meant to deal with a situation where only one parent was a citizen, but they did not spend any significant time living in the US.

Exactly, and Obama's Mama didn't qualify and his Daddy, whomever that is, didn't either.

53 posted on 06/30/2009 12:18:44 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: BP2

I read that and was trying to find how to apply it to this situation. Need to find more information on his mother. Have to go to records of travel etc.


54 posted on 06/30/2009 12:19:02 PM PDT by wbones8765 ("Give me liberty or give me death")
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To: Blackacre

Excerpt from Dr. Polarik’s article (full article below):

“Why won’t you show us your real birth certificate?” Press Secretary Gibbs response was startling. He said that the Obama Administration had put a copy of it, one with a raised Seal, on the Internet. That response, more than any other mentioned to date, should have gotten people to their feet shouting, “NO, it’s NOT a real birth certificate!” Or, at least, it’s not the long-form original.

In effect, Obama, by way of his Press Secretary, just admitted to committing felony document fraud as what is posted on the Internet is a forgery, a false government identification document in violation of Federal statutes.”

Article by Polarik:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2280617/posts


55 posted on 06/30/2009 12:25:20 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: wbones8765

The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era. www.hawaii.gov

He was born in 1961, if he were born outside of the country, his mom could have come back and registered him.


56 posted on 06/30/2009 12:26:58 PM PDT by wbones8765 ("Give me liberty or give me death")
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To: null and void
No hospital has stepped forward to claim the honor.

And no hospital will, without Obama's permission. They're barred from doing so by HIPAA.

57 posted on 06/30/2009 12:30:16 PM PDT by Blackacre
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To: seoul62
Just Asking - seoul62.....

Unless you plan on running for president why worry about it? The law changed I think in 62, so maybe you would, maybe not.

Once lawyers are involved, everything is subject to change, just like our Constitution is being crapped on daily by this administration, and neither party seems to care.

Law that is not enforced, is no law at all.

58 posted on 06/30/2009 12:30:55 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: itsahoot
Exactly, and Obama's Mama didn't qualify and his Daddy, whomever that is, didn't either.

But that law isn't applicable to someone born in the US- the 14th Amendment governs in that situaition.

59 posted on 06/30/2009 12:31:32 PM PDT by Blackacre
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To: riverdawg

If he were born in Hawaii as he claims, then why the reluctance to release his birth certificate?

It ought to raise some serious red flags when he would rather spend over a million dollars to fight the release of his birth certificate rather than spend $10 plus the cost of postage to end the suits.

IMO release of his birth certificate will either show that BHO Sr was not his father thus proving that his “biography” is a lie OR that he was indeed born overseas and since his mother was only 18 at the time of his birth she could not legally convey citizenship to barry.


60 posted on 06/30/2009 12:37:52 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (If a muslim terrorist contracts swine flu, does he still get his 72 virgins?)
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