I am a birther. (Although LucyT & nully may disown me after this post.) I’ve had a couple of discussions with N-S & mlo. They’re not out to prove us wrong. They simply do not believe we have proved our case. And that’s a fair assessment because we haven’t.
Take the Indonesian citizenship issue as an example. We have only the American Soetoro-Dunham divorce decree as evidenciary proof (as opposed to hearsay) that Soetorro adopted Obama. Even then we don’t know if the adoption occurred in the U.S. or in Indonesia. The Indonesian school records prove only registration, not adoption. We do not have Indonesian legal documents to back up the adoption claim. Since we can’t prove the adoption, we also can’t prove he obtained Indonesian citizenship through that adoption. We also cannot prove that Obama had an Indonesian passport, which would be another way to prove citizenship.
While Indonesian law may indicate that Obama had to be an Indonesian citizen in order to attend school there or that he lost his U.S. citizenship if he became an Indonesian citizen, our courts are not bound by Indonesian law.
Since we can’t prove he was ever adopted or obtained Indonesian citizenship, we also cannot prove that he ever lost his U.S. citizenship or needed to reaffirm it.
We have lots of “probably” and “likely,” but sadly we haven’t proved our case and can’t do so without access to those records.
Flame away. *cringes*
It does not matter whether our courts are or are not bound by Indonesian law because in the 1960’s our own law did not allow dual citizenship.
If the One became an Indonesian citizen at that time his U. S.
citizenship would have been lost.
..... but sadly we havn't proved out case and can't do so without access those records.
No need to cringe on that statement of course. Yes, that is the whole crux of the matter and it is absolutely incredible how the records are unavailable. It seems no moral or ethical offence for people to want to see these records. The fact that they cannot, is causing some angst and frustration out there.
My hobby is genealogy for over 35 years and I have never seen anything like the - either loss of, or sharked up supposed information yet. This pertaining to President Obama. I have learnt more about Chester Arthur, the President after President Garfield in 1880, than President Obama. Seen more documentation.
Any way all birthers get an A for effort. (chuckle).
Most of all, Hawaii confirmed that they never released a copy of Obama’s COLB to anyone in June 2007.
Einstein could have called himself, “Humpty Dumpty,” and hid his face, but that would not change the fact that he discovered E= mc^2. Likewise, Obama’s 2007 COLB would be just as nonexistent as if I had never discovered that it was nonexistent. But, it is a good thing that I did.
It's positively amazing the amount of effort that people have expended in defense of this piece of crap COLB image that the Poseur-in-Chief now admits to posting online. There is only one reason why, after more than a year, that only one scan image of one side only has ever been made from what is alleged to be Obama’s 2007 COLB: it doesn't exist. Obama’s 2007 COLB is a forged fake, fabricated in Photoshop, and nothing that anyone says or does can change that fact.
There is absolutely no reason, whatsoever, that the Obama Campaign would not make another, more detailed scan, including one of the reverse side of the COLB, and send that out to quiet critics. No reason, EXCEPT that the document does not exist in the real world. It only exists in the unreal, virtual world of Photoshopped fakes.
BTW, a digital photo is not the same thing as a scan image, and it most certainly cannot be used to validate a scan image. Certainly not when the document object is photographed at a steep angles from the capture device (which were intentional).
Remember that Factcheck did not take a digital photo of the reverse side (all that Factcheck photographed was only 1/4 of the entire back page, and only 2/3 of the Seal). Why was so little of the back page shown? Because what was photographed belonged to a different COLB!! Check it out for yourself: the Seal on the reverse side does not match the one on the front side. It is one of several, new discoveries I've made after revisitng the Factcheck photographs.
A year later after the bogus scan image was posted, THAT is exactly what people are still talking about. They are referring back to the original forged image on Fight the Smears and Factcheck. They are quoting Factcheck — the co-conspirator in this birth certficate scam — as having “verified” the bogus “scan image”.
Recall that Factcheck claimed they photographed the same object that the Obama Campaign scanned two months earlier. They took these photos SOLELY IN DEFENSE of the scan image that they alleged to have “validated,” and to fend off the widespread criticism of the COLB as a forged image. However, they failed to “debunk” the critics. This was all part of an elaborate ruse to create the illusion that Obama had released his genuine, certified original birth certificate to the public.
What is hard to believe are the people in high places who actually believe that this document exists, but of those, here is a segment who also discount it as being proof of where Obama was actually born. COLBs are incredibly easy to get with little documentation required. And, yes, it is a well-documented fact that Hawaii was giving COLBs to foreign-born children.
But the bottom line is that the original “scan image” is what people are still talking about today, and it is an indisputable fact that Obama, or anyone else, does not have a genuine 2007 COLB document. and that what is posted online is as bogus as a four-dollar bill.
Obama ascended to the position of President by fraudulent means, including document fraud, Internet fraud, voter fraud, and campaign funding fraud, to name a few. The only question at hand now is whether he will be removed by invalidating his election, or by the articles of impeachment. If I were a Democratic Congressman, and I was going to be implicated in this fraud, I'd be calling for impeachment in a New York minute.
sadly we haven’t proved our case and can’t do so without access to those records.
It's all conjecture; there is no evidence to prove, or disprove, 0bama's place of birth.