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To: OldNavyVet

I wonder what occupied all that space 14 billion years ago.


2 posted on 06/13/2009 12:11:26 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Why is the yellow-bellied coward, David Letterman, afraid of Governor Palin?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Can anything really “occupy” space? The Universe is still expanding... what is it expanding into?


3 posted on 06/13/2009 12:13:32 PM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Our capability to “see” distant things is a function of mam-made instruments.

There’s probably far more out there than seen so far.


4 posted on 06/13/2009 12:17:30 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (The essence of evil lies in the irrational.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer; PDT; Physicist
In the words of famed Freeper Physicist:
This question comes up regularly, but it's based upon a misconception that, unfortunately, physicists do more to perpetuate than to correct. Let me see whether I can set you straight.

The problem is that the expanding universe is typically visualized as something like a stretching rubber sheet, or a raisin-laden plum pudding expanding as it bakes. The problem is that these are physical objects that exist in--and take up--some region of space. Over time, these growing objects take up more space, leaving less space for other objects, and either displacing those objects or reaching the limits of the available space. Once the plum pudding fills the oven, there's a problem.

The expansion of the universe isn't like that. The universe is not an object; it doesn't "take up space". It is space. As it grows, it doesn't mean that there is less space for objects; it means there is more space for objects. Nothing needs to be displaced to admit its expansion.

I can tell by the look on your face--as I imagine it--that you aren't satisfied. So here's another way to think about the problem. Don't say that the universe is expanding. Insist that it remains fixed. Say instead that the things in the universe--galaxies, rulers, paper plates, Brooklyn (sorry, Mrs. Allen), atoms, people, Dukakis/Bentsen campaign buttons--are all shrinking. It's mathematically equivalent, right? But it doesn't require you to postulate that anything is "outside".

So why don't you have the same conceptual problem that you had when you viewed it the other (equivalent) way? Think about it.--Physicist


8 posted on 06/13/2009 12:26:22 PM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

under this theory - nothing.


9 posted on 06/13/2009 12:32:17 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Space itself is expanding into nothingness. Nothingness has no characteristics at all, not even location.

Spooky, no?

15 posted on 06/13/2009 1:03:08 PM PDT by muir_redwoods ( Hey, remember the last head of state who dictated the design of automobiles?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I wonder what occupied all that space 14 billion years ago.

divine realm?
supernatural realm?

20 posted on 06/13/2009 3:13:25 PM PDT by mjp (pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, independence, limited government, capitalism})
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