Posted on 06/12/2009 11:44:06 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache
Developing...nutjob lost 65%
It seems to me that you are advocating that a dictatorship is good, when you like some of the positions of the dictator. The Ayatollahs are not elected, and yet they run the country. (with some input from elected officials)
Of course there is also the part about believing that Israel should not exist, and stoning people, and hanging homosexuals, and whipping victims of rape. Do you believe that Sharia law and conservatism are similar?
You have got to be kidding.
Saddam was a socialist and a menace to the USA and to peace, as are all socialist dictators. The ayatollahs are conservative politically and are not interested in invading other countries. I would rather have a strong ayatollah running Iran than a strong leftist. Freedom is great but it requires a widely educated population first. Iran isn’t there yet. Iran’s primitive capital punishment rules are a throwback, but the uneducated masses get the message. I’m interested in protecting the USA. We should offer our better cultural advances by example, but we don’t need to go out an impose them on all stone age people.
1) Iran’s economy is state controlled. There hardly is a country with less economic freedom (North Korea maybe). The only really running big businesses are run by corrupt “islamic funds and endowments”. In other words by kleptocratic mullahs. Their economic model is a mixture of bazaarism, kleptocracy and fascist corporatism.
2) Their “islamic socialism” is also regime price-controls and rationing (Gas rationing, food rationing).
3) Mullah “family values”, include forced marriage and rape of minor girls and notorious pederasty in the islamic seminars. Also there is the concept of “zire” (time wedding) where young women are married for a period of time (sometimes a day or less) to a john. This is mullah run prostitution. You can have that “social value” if you want.
4) The ideology of Khomeinism calls for (and carries out) the violent spreading of the islamic revolution in all islamic countries. You obviously need to check in how many murders and terrorist attacks the mullahs have been involved. So much for the “they don’t attack anyone” nonsense. I won’t mention the mass murder of Iranian dissidents.
5) They aren’t “popular with voters”. The elections are sham. They weren’t “elected”, but came into power 30 years ago through violent revolution, cemented their power after Saddam’s invasion, and maintain it through a millions strong army of thugs (Baseej), the Revolutionary Guard (Pasdaran) and the secret police.
6) Women and non-shia Muslims are second class citizens.
So much for your fantasy world of “fuzzy mullahs with good principles and values, that are shared by US Conservative”.
No, not kidding. Where do you put the ayatollahs on the political spectrum compared to say all the leftist dictators causing trouble in the world?
There really can’t be a freedom BUT. Either we’re for freedom or we’re not. Freedom means sometimes we don’t get what we want. I can live with that.
Your posts are the most shockingly uninformed posts on Iran imaginabel.
Also regarding strongmen... well we had a pro-American strongman with the Shah. THAT kind of strongman I support.
But your love for the Ayatollah regime is something between ridiculous and disgusting.
Freedom is great but it requires a widely educated population first. Iran isn’t there yet.
Iranians are by far one of the best educated Middle Eastern People. And they had real social freedom and limited political freedom under the Shah until your beloved Mullahs toppled him in 1979.
They are on the same area as the Soviets, Nazis and other socialist tyrants, except that their ideology consists of islamism, in place of nationalism or Marxism.
Ping. Give your input to inform our FRiend Reeses a bit on the mullah regime. He thinks they are just great.
Alright, I’ll read up on Iran some more. My point is the ayatollahs are not leftists. We’ve got enough trouble with leftist leaders, including our own.
We’ve got enough trouble with leftist leaders
No regime has caused us more trouble since 1979 than the islamic regime in Iran. We did not pick the fight.
You are confusing socially conservative with politically conservative. Iran is a theocracy, where the social conservatism of Islam is the rule of law. They are also close to political socialism, with business and commerce being regulated by the Ayatollahs as well.
You are also wrong about Iranians being stone age people. You have obviously never spent much time with Iranians. They are quite well educated, in comparison to the other middle eastern countries. Iran graduates far more from their advanced degree programs than they can employ. Many leave the country to use their degrees elsewhere. To call them uneducated masses is completely wrong.
Iran had a very US friendly government until the 1970s. Do a little research and you will find that your ideas about Iran and the Ayatollahs are a little off.
Upon election Carter canceled a fleet of jet fighter sales to Iran. The problem was he did not give their multi-billion dollar deposit back. Iran took the hostages in frustration dealing with Carter. I don’t like Carter either. In the end the Iranians got their deposit back, via hard gold transfer. If I was in their shoes, I’d have a hard time imagining a different outcome. Leftists suck, period.
The mullahs have the real power anyway.
I would say conventions of political spectrum are difficult to move from the American realm into the global sphere.
Iran’s government is yet another form of radical statism. It has genocidal ambitions which it deploys rhetorically through radical hatred of the Jewish state and of America. The government of Iran is one of the most intrinsic global supporters of terrorism. They advocate and succeed in the killing of innocent human beings. These killings are designed to stifle opponents of the their radical shia hatred. They have transformed the politics of Lebanon from a former Christian state to a gradually acquired proxy state of shia terror.
The government of Iran leads the world in the capital punishment of children— mostly girls. This kind of killing is designed to incite obedience to their cult of hate.
Its rather absurd to attempt a rehabilitation along the lines of contempt for liberalism. They have a contempt for human life. It cannot be reconciled.
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