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Air France crash: plane may have broken up in mid-air
Telegraph UK ^ | June 3, 2009 | By Henry Samuel in Paris

Posted on 06/03/2009 10:30:55 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

The vast area over which debris has been found suggested there was an explosion while the aircraft was in flight.

Unnamed experts quoted by the Le Monde newspaper said the "wide dispersion of wreckage discovered suggests that the Airbus (A330-200) exploded at high altitude".

Terrorism has not been ruled out but they said the most likely scenario was that the break-up was caused by massive depressurisation inside the plane.

If such depressurisation had occurred at high altitude, passengers would have almost certainly fallen instantly unconscious and may have been unaware of the their fate.

Professor Philippe Juvin, head of casualty at Beaujon hospital west of Paris, said: "It would have been as quick as the moment when one falls asleep."

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airfrance; aviation; planecrash; terrorism
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To: Moose4

Boortz thinks it was flying through a cell, but do cells tear apart planes?

No.


81 posted on 06/03/2009 12:25:04 PM PDT by txhurl (Put the pressure on and keep it on until this administration snaps.)
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To: txhurl

Boortz is an idiot and the last person to look to when discussing grown folks issues.


82 posted on 06/03/2009 12:38:33 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Too many FReepers whine too damn much. Your kneejerk contrarianism is not Conservative.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Let me get this straight. There is more pressure inside a plane than outside at high altitudes. Sudden depressurization would not cause a plane to explode, maybe implode, but to do that it would have to have a huge hole in it and the air would have to go out instantaneously and even then an implosion is unlikely. The depressurization they are talking about would be the results of an explosion not the cause of one. I guess they think the whole world is made up of idiots.


83 posted on 06/03/2009 1:28:13 PM PDT by calex59
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To: All

I’m sorry but this plane did not come down as a result of a bomb.

Some of the information coming out about the ACARS message exchange with AF maintenance center seems similar to those given by a Qantas Airbus in December.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0UBT/is_2_23/ai_n31189475/

I think we have a design/computer error that led to this aircraft’s autopilot disengaging and the pilots losing control (especially considering the time and atmospheric circumstances).

Also from the article:

“On Oct. 7, 2008, 70 of the 313 people onboard a Qantas A330 (also flying from Singapore to Perth) were injured when the aircraft pitched up and then dove twice after a failure of its ADIRU 1.

Australian air safety investigators said a fault in one of three Northrop Grumman air data inertial reference units is likely to have caused the Qantas A330-300 upset.

Flight QF72 from Singapore to Perth abruptly lost altitude. The A330 made an emergency landing in Manila. The ATSB said in its preliminary report, citing flight data recorder information, that the ADIRU likely fed incorrect information to the main flight computer.”

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Uhm, we have a problem.


84 posted on 06/03/2009 2:40:13 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Too many FReepers whine too damn much. Your kneejerk contrarianism is not Conservative.)
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To: calex59
The depressurization they are talking about would be the results of an explosion not the cause of one

Go look at the debris from the Commet crashes or the Aloha Airlines 737 that went convertible in HI back in 1988. If you get a crack in the fuselage it blows open like a pop can. Point is those were metal fatigue failures and this was a new aircraft and shouldn't have had that problem. Submarines implode, Airplanes explode.
85 posted on 06/03/2009 3:05:10 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world, and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Robe

I was about ready to refute the “fallen instantly unconscious” part until I read your post.

I’ve been through the pressure chamber many times in my Navy career and have yet to pass out during rapid decompression.

As you said, Pure BS.


86 posted on 06/03/2009 3:24:51 PM PDT by airdalechief
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

they just reported this on the ABC nightly news


87 posted on 06/03/2009 3:51:25 PM PDT by RDTF ("I'm pretty sure this is a 2 man job once the shooting starts")
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To: calex59
Let me get this straight. There is more pressure inside a plane than outside at high altitudes. Sudden depressurization would not cause a plane to explode, maybe implode,

Party balloons have similar pressure differentials to an airliner at altitude. If punctured or ruptured they explode. Light bulbs and vacuum tubes have the opposite differential; more pressure outside than inside and they implode.

88 posted on 06/03/2009 6:07:19 PM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (A society that doesn't protect its children doesn't deserve to survive.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
How does de-pressurization break up a plane. Isn't it the other way around?

A broken up plane de-pressurizes.

89 posted on 06/03/2009 6:26:05 PM PDT by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a textbook.)
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To: dalereed
From the looks of the weather charts they flew into a thunderstorm which is sure disaster!

In this case it looks like the plane was shaved by Occam's razor.

90 posted on 06/03/2009 6:29:38 PM PDT by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a textbook.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

I don’t think the Shoe Bomber cared if anyone knew it was terrorism. Sudden Jihad Syndrome is a lonely affair.


91 posted on 06/03/2009 6:30:24 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: r9etb

When was the last bomb threat against an airline in the U.S.?


92 posted on 06/03/2009 6:42:27 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: r9etb; Moose4

“As for me, I could see that sort of spread taking place as a result of the fact that the plane was at 35k feet, in a line of severe thunderstorms.”

Thank you both for your posts!

Those huge thunderstorms topped 50k feet.

http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/af447/


93 posted on 06/03/2009 6:47:09 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("Dick Cheney gets results" ~~ Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

No, Bad wiring is easily enough to blow a plane apart and spread wreckage over 3 miles.


94 posted on 06/03/2009 7:00:15 PM PDT by omega4179 (America is a Christian Nation)
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To: r9etb

Well admittedly updrafts do occur at 35k

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tstorm-mature-stage.jpg


95 posted on 06/03/2009 7:08:13 PM PDT by omega4179 (America is a Christian Nation)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Can’t be a terrorist bomb now that we have obozo.

PRay for America and Our Troops


96 posted on 06/03/2009 8:14:09 PM PDT by bray (Time to Stand Up)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Uh, debris was spread over 140 miles ...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iOegnahAFcEgwJZ4WKGkVz9Dgq5wD98JG00G0


97 posted on 06/03/2009 8:23:36 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: omega4179

Furthermore, supposedly tropical storm in that region are notorious. They reach up to 55K whereas the plane was at 33K.


98 posted on 06/03/2009 8:26:24 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Cyman
Terrorism doesn’t work in a silent world.

Dress rehersal?

99 posted on 06/03/2009 8:35:02 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: Big_Monkey
LOL - Yeah, someone needs a new PR firm if they think the best "story" to put out there is that the plane "magically" blew-up, in flight and at attitude. Somehow, I don't think that's going to be a comfort to the flying public.

It crossed paths with the magic bullet shot from a high powered rifle in Dallas in 1963.

100 posted on 06/03/2009 8:40:11 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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