Other Far Right Response (Andrew Sullivan Mentions Free Republic Response to Tiller Murder)

The Atlantic ^ | 31 May 2009 | Andrew Sullivan

[nickcarraway]

From the Free Republic blog commenters, courtesy of Balloon Juice:

What goes around comes around...

One less nazi as far as I am concerned.

This isn't good, boys and girls ... not good at all. This serial-killer piece of excrement will be held up by every abortionist and every lover of abortionists as the reason why the Secret Service needs to be assigned to guard every abortionist, every abortion mill and every lover of abortions in this country.

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[Ol' Sparky]

Do you understand that there is a body of people out there who think these Army Recruiters were luring our youth into a death trap?

Do you understand there were people in Germany that didn't think it was wrong to send Jews to the gas chambers?

We're discussing fully-formed babies being slaughtered. Anyone that doesn't understand that is murder is as demented as a Nazi sympathizer.

You sound like a moral relativist with these analogies.

[DoughtyOne]

If someone comes at you or your family with a gun, that’s entirely different than if you pick up a gun and go shoot someone down who was not confronting you or your family.

[Winstons Julia]

“That doesn’t justify the act that took his life.”

Then why are you trying to do JUST that? Hm?

“It is reprehensible that anyone would mention George Tiller’s name with mentioning what he did for a living — murdering fully-formed unborn children that are the equivalent of infants. And, in most cases, the life of the mother wasn’t involved in his killings.”

You’re not fooling a soul. You are trying to justify this murder. It makes me sick.

Vengeance isn’t MAN’S to take.

[Fido969]

I think there are absolute morals.

[DoughtyOne]

People need to live by the law. The NAZIs were in violation of international law, and most likely the laws of their own nation.

Some people are stating that it’s okay to break the law if it’s for a good cause. I am trying to explain to you, that street justice is not justice. It is an act that is outside the law.

Moral relativism is the shading of morality, to justify something you want to do real bad.

We cannot justify murder.

[pray4liberty]

Where's the liberal bleating defending the poor, misunderstood, disadvantaged shooter, Scott Roeder? Where is the sympathy for him? They swooned over their excuses for that misunderstood teenage robber in Oklahoma that the disabled pharmacist shot and killed.

Liberal hypocrisy is just amazing....amazing!

[DoughtyOne]

So do I. But once again, the left has not adopted my morals. They have their own set of them.

If I approve of street justice, my side won’t be the only one implementing it.

What part of that do you not understand. Why are you ignoring this simple truth?

You and I agree on the matter of abortion. I want it stopped just as much as you do. This is not the way to accomplish that.

[roses of sharon]

I think some on the Right were desperate to show they were not racist, were desperate to have a man in office who they perceived could talk better than President Bush, believed Hussein's words (he is an accomplished confidence man), did not like the “jews” (neo-cons) taking out Saddam and Sons to “protect Israel”, think Obama will reduce Israels power in the region, and don't like the social conservatives at all. Some are Libertarians and want the GOP to be defeated. I'm sure there are more reasons too.

They are still using the left and Obama in their battle with the evangelical Republicans.

[pray4liberty]

Not even counting the fact this guy Andrew Sullivan thinks other men’s poopers are attractive— he is the biggest, most shameless sleazeball.

Exactly what authority does he have to dictate morals for everybody else?

[massgopguy]

I was against murder before I knew what abortion was. That being said, it looks like Roeder has no Pro-Life connections.

[Ol' Sparky]

Then why are you trying to do JUST that?

If you heard that someone had murdered Osama Bin Laden, would you feel bad that Bin Laden was dead? Or would you be happy couldn't harm any more innocent people?

I don't see how Tiller's death is any different for anyone with conscious, someone who realizes killing fully-formed babies isn't any different than killing an infant. But, apparently, you don't believe that late-term abortions are the same as killing an infant and that is what is abhorrent.

And, no, being glad that man won't be able to kill any more innocent human beings isn't the same thing as approving of someone murdering him. Only the government and God should be bringing murderers to justice.

[pray4liberty]

That being said, it looks like Roeder has no Pro-Life connections.

If it turns out he's Muslim the liberals will really have a hissy fit.

[Winstons Julia]

You are still fooling no one.

[Ol' Sparky]

People need to live by the law.

So, it was wrong to help slaves when slavery was legal in this nation?

It WAS legal, obviously, to kill Jews in Nazi Germany. Was it wrong to break the law and save Jews from being slaughtered?

Certain acts ARE absolutely wrong, not a matter of opinion.

That doesn't justify murdering someone committing infanticide as Tiller was. There are other means to combat what Tiller was doing, just as there other means of assisting slaves and Jews to freedom.

[DoughtyOne]

Then I say great on two points. I don’t approve of abortion period, but late term abortions are particularly vile to me. If the child could be living outside the womb, then there is no other term for it, other than murder if termination takes place.

Surprisingly, the justice system agrees if it’s a non-licensed individual terminating the unborn. How do you wrap your head around that paradox? Well you really can’t. Murder is murder, license or no license.

It would be fantastic to find that this person has no connection whatsoever to right to life organizations.

[Ol' Sparky]

You’re not fooling a soul. You are trying to justify this murder. It makes me sick.

Anyone that wants to invoke sympathy for the death of someone committing infanticide makes me sick. Tiller's death is absolutely no different than one gang member murdering another or one mafia member taking out another. Such acts have to be stopped because we can't allow anarchy. But, there is reason to feel remorse such evil men no longer are alive.

[donna]

What’s your choice, become pro-abortion?

[DoughtyOne]

If we're talking about civil disobedience, that's quite a bit different than murder one.  Yes, I believe people should have helped the slaves escape their masters.

I am not convinced it was legal in Germany to slaughter millons of Jews and other groups of special interest.  On that point I could be wrong.  As I stated earlier, it certainly wasn't legal in the international community.  And if folks could help the Jews and the others, I would support them doing so, even if that meant taking up arms to do it.  I support it in that instance because the government had become totally corrupted on many levels.  It was out of control.  And it does appear to me that we could be headed in the same direction if we don't get things back under control.

I agree with the fact that certain acts are absolutely wrong, and that doesn't hinge on the views of certain groups.

What some people don't seem to be able to grasp is that they are not the moral compass of every living being.  So while you/they are right with regard to a rigid set of moral standards, that won't be what the other side uses when it decides who to murder.  (reading your ending remarks, I realize you probably agree with this)

It is precisely because of that fact, that we need the courts to iron out what is permissable and what isn't.  We cannot take the law into our own hands, because reason does not always prevail when moral decisions are made by various groups.

If we're looking at the genocidal erradication of born living beings, then I think you stop it by any means possible.

If we're talking about the innocent unborn, I despise the act, but I do not support murder to stop it.

[FreeLuna]

You have taken a lot of hits on this thread. I will step in the ring and say that I understand what you are saying. I will go further and say that the hypocrisy displayed by our fellow Freepers has saddened me. If abortion=murder and murder=evil then this killing was evil. Murder is murder. Are we a nation of laws? Or are we like leftists who only pick and choose what laws benefit their agendas. Otherwise they break the law with a nod and wink and do what they damn well please? How does this doctors murder change anything for the better? How does it save one baby? Another doctor, or doctors will step in,don’t doubt it. This is nothing but fuel for the opposition.

[Winstons Julia]

“invoke sympathy”

A man is dead. A man was murdered. It is wrong to excuse it.

And saying, “But he did ______ !” THAT is excusing it.

What he did was legal in the USA. You may find it repugnant, but it was legal.

You are excusing his murder while trying to claim that we can’t allow anarchy. You cannot have it both ways.