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Fears for 228 as Air France jet vanishes
CNN ^ | June 1, 2009

Posted on 06/01/2009 3:50:07 AM PDT by rdl6989

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To: LonePalm

Oh, how lovely! Are you french? or an american who is exceptionally
good at french?


21 posted on 06/01/2009 4:26:52 AM PDT by gussiefinknottle (woof!woof!woof!)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

“Run out of gas?”

It had just taken off

“Weather?”

There are reports of possible turbulance


22 posted on 06/01/2009 4:26:59 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

Extreme turbulence is common in this area. Usually enough to make novice flyers panic, but never severe enough to cause aircraft problems.

However, as one pilot put it, probabilities account for every possible scenario.


23 posted on 06/01/2009 4:30:31 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: rdl6989

Another report here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2261994/posts


24 posted on 06/01/2009 4:30:54 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: LikeLight
I find that very unusual (I've been reading that message thread on Airliners.net too) and if the turbulence was extremely severe it could have caused pretty severe damage to the plane. The specter of a repeat of American Airlines Flight 587 but at altitude is not so far-fetched, especially if they recover the flight data recorders and found out the turbulence was severe enough to literally snap off a major flight control surface such as a vertical tail.

I just read that a TAM flight from Miami to Sao Paolo a week ago went through pretty severe turbulence and a number of passengers were seriously injured.

25 posted on 06/01/2009 4:33:10 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88
I just read that a TAM flight from Miami to Sao Paolo a week ago went through pretty severe turbulence and a number of passengers were seriously injured.

If you're reading Airliners.net as well, you will see several reports of severe turbulence is known in this area, but one poster checked flight conditions and said they were not remarkable.

This is either a mechanical failure or terrorism. I doubt the latter from some reports so far.

26 posted on 06/01/2009 4:36:10 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: rdl6989

How awful!!!

And too often these crashes happend in threes. Two to go.


27 posted on 06/01/2009 4:38:37 AM PDT by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: nuconvert

Sorry, I thought it was an inbound flight.


28 posted on 06/01/2009 4:43:20 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (beef)
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BULLETIN — AIR FRANCE SAYS PLANE SENT MESSAGE THAT IT HAD ELECTRICAL SHORT-CIRCUIT AFTER STRONG TURBULENCE.

http://www.bnonews.com/


29 posted on 06/01/2009 4:45:28 AM PDT by rdl6989
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To: RayChuang88

“American Airlines Flight 587”

And one of those passengers that perished had escaped and survived the World Trade Center inferno two months prior.

Talk about fate.


30 posted on 06/01/2009 4:47:19 AM PDT by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Erik Latranyi

My guess is more mechanical failure, especially if the turbulence was strong enough to literally snap off a flight control surface, especially the vertical tail (given the history of a couple of vertical tail separations on widebody Airbus planes).


31 posted on 06/01/2009 4:51:39 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88

I hate vertical tail seperations...and turbulence...


32 posted on 06/01/2009 4:55:13 AM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: rdl6989

That’s not good.

Airbuses are “fly by wire”.


33 posted on 06/01/2009 4:55:33 AM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: rdl6989

Oh dear!


34 posted on 06/01/2009 4:56:16 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: arichtaxpayer

This sort of news can really rattle you, can’t it. My daughter flew Air France to London via Paris on Thursday. She does not care for flying and always seems to have an eventful trip.


35 posted on 06/01/2009 4:56:36 AM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of cat attacks while typing!)
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To: rdl6989

CNN International

Paris Airport still showing flight as ‘delayed’.

However, government officials are indicating that they expect the worst and are setting up accordingly. A family notification center is being set up, etc.


36 posted on 06/01/2009 4:58:12 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: rdl6989

Satellite loop of the area:

http://www.weather.com/maps/maptype/satelliteworld/brazilsatellite_large_animated.html


37 posted on 06/01/2009 5:07:20 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: 2111USMC

More importantly, they’re not as redundant and fault tolerant as a Boeing FBW system.


38 posted on 06/01/2009 5:13:51 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: 2111USMC

I hate that Airbus “fly by wire” crap, where the computer automatically overrides anything a pilot tries to do. In adverse conditions, it limits the amount of adjustment that a human being with “touch and feel” can achieve. and then when you have something like a “complete electrical failure” (i.e. the thing that’s driving the “fly by wire” computer in the first place), well...you’re a goner.

That’s why I fly Boeing exclusively. Between parts always seeming to fall off Airbuses in just a bit of adverse conditions, landing gears twisting and locking sideways, and the general socialist tendencies of the company, I’ll stick to all-American safety, tyvm.


39 posted on 06/01/2009 5:14:48 AM PDT by seraphMTH
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To: MikeWUSAF

I also hate “frayed arcing wires in the center fuel tank”


40 posted on 06/01/2009 5:18:41 AM PDT by Never on my watch (The people in charge now could not run a lemonade stand on a beach in Miami in the middle of July.)
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