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Georgia lawmaker wants to end ‘birthright citizenship’
AJC.Com ^ | May 25, 2009 | AJC.Com

Posted on 05/26/2009 5:27:42 AM PDT by Sinschild

Edited on 05/26/2009 5:30:31 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Chickensoup; SWAMPSNIPER
Yes and it should be retroactive for at least ten years. If clinton could make an retroactive tax increase, we can make this retroactive.

Excuse me? Since when are conservatives calling for the passage of ex post facto laws? Just because the liberals and Democrats don't give a damn about the Constitution doesn't mean we shouldn't follow their lead. In fact, we ought to shine the light on every unconstitutional law that they pass!

81 posted on 05/26/2009 2:59:46 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: Sinschild

I would dare to say that birthright citizenship may be a bigger draw for illegal aliens to the US than jobs. An anchor baby AUTOMATICALLY and LEGALLY entitles illegal alien families to collect state and federal benefits.


82 posted on 05/26/2009 3:02:09 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (SARAH PALIN - Supports a "path to citizenship" for ILLEGAL ALIENS.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Excuse me? Since when are conservatives calling for the passage of ex post facto laws? Just because the liberals and Democrats don’t give a damn about the Constitution doesn’t mean we shouldn’t follow their lead. In fact, we ought to shine the light on every unconstitutional law that they pass!

Excuse me??? I am tired of fighting with two hands tied behind my back. I recognize the law...I also reconize the severe damage done to our country by the circuses that have run it. We do need to go backwards here.


83 posted on 05/26/2009 3:12:54 PM PDT by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: ExTxMarine

I’m not backpedaling on ANYTHING, nor would I.

You and Bill Clinton and Janet Reno agree. Sean Hannity agrees with me.

Believe what you want. Again, you avoided the Moses story. I stand on the moral high ground. Xenophobia is the ground you stand on.


84 posted on 05/26/2009 3:18:47 PM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: Chickensoup; bamahead; djsherin

The Constitution is an all-or-nothing proposition that must be upheld completely and consistently.

If you want to show that a certain law was unconstitutional to begin with, I’m all with you.

If you want to start passing retroactive laws in clear violation of the Constitution, then you will have none of my support.

Conservatives who go against the Constitution are no better than the liberals who go against the Constitution, irrespective of how noble their intentions may be.


85 posted on 05/26/2009 3:20:39 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: MamaTexan

Ping


86 posted on 05/26/2009 4:15:48 PM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Nice. I agree with that.


87 posted on 05/26/2009 4:58:14 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: rabscuttle385
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside

Well, that's pretty effin clear to me!

If you want to redefine citizenship, you're gonna need an amendment. Ratified. Anything else won't cut it.
88 posted on 05/26/2009 5:54:36 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: from occupied ga

He is my rep. I was worried when they redrew the lines a few years ago—we almost lost him.


89 posted on 05/26/2009 6:02:49 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Little Ray

Heard he was going to run for Gov. He is one of the good guys. A quiet work horse.


90 posted on 05/26/2009 6:04:33 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: prismsinc

Apparently you cannot read, or choose to be ignorant, that is your own problem - not mine. As I stated, I do not agree with the handling of Elian Gonzalez, but that is a differnt situation than what we were originally arguing.

I did address the Moses question - it is not for me to judge God’s plans. But, you still refuse to answer my questions regarding if we should invade these countries for failing to life up to your sense of decency.

Let’s just agree to disagree, since you think you have moral high ground. Besides, I don’t judge my decisions on whether or not Sean Hannity agrees with me.


91 posted on 05/26/2009 7:56:22 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (For whatsoe'ver their sufferings were before; that change they covet makes them suffer more. -Dryden)
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To: ExTxMarine
It’s not written into the Constitution! It was a Supreme Court decision that “read into the meaning” that created anchor babies!

Which one?

If it's a Supreme Court decision, then the Constitution would have to be amended to change it. I really doubt that's going to happen.

92 posted on 05/26/2009 8:04:45 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: rabscuttle385; prismsinc

Some people think the ends justify the means, no matter what. And since when did thinking about the welfare of innocent children become a “liberal” position?


93 posted on 05/26/2009 8:13:44 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: valkyrieanne

Read posts 57 and 75.


94 posted on 05/26/2009 8:17:17 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (For whatsoe'ver their sufferings were before; that change they covet makes them suffer more. -Dryden)
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To: valkyrieanne

When did the United States take on the job of world Child Daycare? I care about innocent children, but it is NOT the job of the US to take care of illegal immigrant’s children - no matter HOW important it is for the future of the child.

Now, there are exceptions as in the Elian Gonzalez discussion that I was having throughout this thread. He was running from an oppressive communist government and we ALWAYS give those guys citizenship. But illegal immigrants that are just simply running to avoid their own miserable lifes that they are not willing to work and care for in their own country - NO! Go home and fix your problems!

Since we are thinking about the welfare of innocent children, I ask you this: should we invade Mexco to care for all those innocent children that will grow up with less opportunities than our own? I mean it is for the “good of the children.”


95 posted on 05/26/2009 8:25:50 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (For whatsoe'ver their sufferings were before; that change they covet makes them suffer more. -Dryden)
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To: Sinschild
Supporters of Deal’s proposal say “birthright citizenship” encourages illegal immigration and makes enforcement of immigration laws more difficult. Opponents say the proposed law wouldn’t solve the illegal immigration problem and goes against this country’s traditions of welcoming immigrants.

One would think this a good thing all the way around. It would discourage illegals from risking their lives coming here, we would not have to "separate" families when deporting illegals and it would save tax dollars. But, I'm afraid they're about ten years tooooooooo late and most everyone knows it. There are to many anchors who are of voting age for this to pass. Had they pushed for this twenty years ago, when it was pointed out to them, something could have been done. Seems to me, this is all just for show.

96 posted on 05/26/2009 9:18:29 PM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

I’m imagining a country where the military / police / fire / rescue makes up a sizable percentage of voters


97 posted on 05/27/2009 1:51:36 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: AuntB
Deal, who has submitted his bill to the House Judiciary Committee, said he’s not optimistic about it becoming law this year unless it is tacked onto another bill.

But if congress miraculously overrode Obama's veto, Obama is getting ready for that contingency:


98 posted on 05/27/2009 6:17:31 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Obama's multi- trillion dollar agenda would be a "man caused disaster")
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To: rabscuttle385

The Constitution is an all-or-nothing proposition that must be upheld completely and consistently.

If you want to show that a certain law was unconstitutional to begin with, I’m all with you.

If you want to start passing retroactive laws in clear violation of the Constitution, then you will have none of my support.

I understand what you are saying but I respectfully disagree. We are fighting a gurrilla war here and I will be da**ed that I won’t be a Redcoat getting shot. We have to get back to a place that the Constitution can be enforced. In case you haven’t notice it hasnt been in effect for a while.


99 posted on 05/27/2009 1:47:57 PM PDT by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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